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csotus 06-17-2016 12:01 PM

opinion on this declaration of independence signer - Roger Sherman
 
I know this is primarily a sports related forum but was hoping someone could help me with this autograph from Roger Sherman. He is a founding father who signed the declaration of independence.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/u...0160617_2a.jpg

The top signature is the one I can purchase. It was certified by GAI in Decemeber of 2015 as authentic. I purchased a quick opinion from PSA and the result was "unable to render opinion". Below is the ebay link, seller is valleybaseballcards.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/311525522438...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Your thoughts?

csotus 06-17-2016 12:03 PM

I guess I am most concerned with the "Sh" in Sherman. However, if I look close enough it looks like the "S" has the slant from top loop to bottom and the "h" has a loop at the top, but both are faded.

Bpm0014 06-17-2016 12:50 PM

Just my opinion, but the n in Sherman is completely off/unique...

Republicaninmass 06-17-2016 02:34 PM

Also signed the Constitution as well as the Connecticut compromise...and the only o e to sign all three



As well as a distant relative

csotus 06-17-2016 02:51 PM

Ted, He was from New Milford, CT which is the town I traced my ancestors to around the same time he lived in the late 1700s.

Duluth Eskimo 06-17-2016 05:21 PM

I am unfamiliar with the subject, but there are many inconsistencies with the EBay signature. The "LOA" is from a company that often authenticates forgeries, but you should always judge the item not the letter. Assuming the examples you provided are authentic, you should be running away

csotus 06-18-2016 09:43 AM

Any other opinions?

Jason, yeah I don't hold the GAI certificate with any weight, if I did purchase I would submit to PSA.

David Atkatz 06-18-2016 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csotus (Post 1552228)
Any other opinions?

Jason, yeah I don't hold the GAI certificate with any weight, if I did purchase I would submit to PSA.

Why? Do you think for a second that anyone--anyone at all--at PSA ever heard of this guy? Or has a single exemplar? Try talking to a real, old-fashioned dealer in historical autographs. One with decades of real experience. One expert in the Signers.
They do exist, you know.

csotus 06-18-2016 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Atkatz (Post 1552245)
Why? Do you think for a second that anyone--anyone at all--at PSA ever heard of this guy? Or has a single exemplar? Try talking to a real, old-fashioned dealer in historical autographs. One with decades of real experience. One expert in the Signers.
They do exist, you know.

They must have an exemplar at PSA because he is listed in their history section.

btcarfagno 06-18-2016 05:57 PM

The one available to you is 20 years before the other exemplars. Not the best way to authenticate.

Tom C

Mr. Zipper 06-18-2016 06:49 PM

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No opinion on the Sherman, but chew on this for a second... from the same seller..

HRBAKER 06-18-2016 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by david atkatz (Post 1552245)
why? Do you think for a second that anyone--anyone at all--at psa ever heard of this guy? Or has a single exemplar? Try talking to a real, old-fashioned dealer in historical autographs. One with decades of real experience. One expert in the signers.
They do exist, you know.

amen.


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