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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>t205 Joss real-fake?</b><p>HEllo,<br />I have bought htis card at a flea market in the states, and i cant tell if its real. i dont buy t205s often but i need the publics input onwhat to look for if its fake or real,<br /> it also has a HASSAN factory 30 back.<br />Thanks, heres a scan.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1131571734.JPG"> <br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1131574049.JPG">
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>The real T205s have actual metal on the borders. The metal is a dust or tiny flakes that was glued to the card. Though often tarnished, the borders will look/shine like metal dust when held at an angle to the light because it it is real metal dust.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>David is correct...the actual borders on most t205s have tarnished a bit over time but if you hold it at an angle under a decent light, the metal will shine. <br /><br />The color looks a little off to me as well...I do not have my back compilation in front of me but if I do recall, Joss did come with a Hassan fact. 30 back. A scan of the back might help me tell a little better as well.<br /><br />Joshua
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>t205 Joss real-fake?</b><p>thank you, here is the back (look above) is the color off alot?
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Andrew Parks</b><p>I dunno, guys, I have owned 150 T205's and looked at hundreds more and that baby looks good to me. It's a helluva fake if it is indeed a fake.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Looks real, even though the face is faded. May just be the scan.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>so will the metal stuff on the borders be a good thing if there not tarnished?<br />
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>new..I consider this a big problem.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Tarnished or not, metal dust on the borders is a very good sign of authenticity, probably the best single sign there is.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>I'm not a T205 collector, but I own a few and have handled a few more. I think the shine on the borders, the wear the card exhibits and the back are all consistent with the genuine article. I would say I am about 80% sure it is real.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>Now, the question people are wondering -<br /><br />How much did you pay for it?
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>for the joss i paid $40.- also bought other cards. i took the chance i guess to buy this card. i collected t206 and E cards. so t-205 are out of my league, but i thought it was worth it to see. i got alot more HOF'ers. i dunno i like taking chances and i hope i made a good one. even if they are reprints they look nice. i think i bought about 20 or so. i will sell them on here if they are real. i dont liek selling false items. ebay i hate there fees..... so they wont be on there.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>Wow, that Joss looks real and the $40 you paid for it is only a fraction of what it is worth. Nice score! People dream about walking into those kinds of deals at flea markets and swap meets.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>yeah i know. i was lucky, i love collecting baseball cards, old ones i mean. should i grade it? and how much do u think its worth in this condition? i cant find an online price guide for free.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>and see what they think; I cannot tell from the scan.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>There's a PSA3 up on ebay with a BIN at $650.<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-ADDIE-JOSS-PSA-3_W0QQitemZ8720381618QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNameZ WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1911-T205-ADDIE-JOSS-PSA-3_W0QQitemZ8720381618QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNameZ WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a><br /><br />You'd be better off getting it graded if you're thinking about selling it. SGC or PSA would be great. <br /><br />Again, nice score. That's a highly sought after card.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>holy f*@%, i never new it was worth that much, does the back make a difference in value? like in t206?
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>That's right, holy f*@% ---- <br /><br />The back on your card is the same as the one for the ebay BIN card. Yes, yours looks better... does that make you happy...? I gotta say it again - nice score!
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>thank you vary much for your help. is there anything else to look for when buying them?
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/uffda51/T205Jossrev.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/uffda51/T205Joss.JPG"><br /><br />I agree with Julie. The back seems somehow inconsistent with the front. Here's the back & front of my copy for comparison. Impossible for me to say without seeing the card in person. I think that this card is the first to refer to the death of the player pictured on the back of the card. I think Ken Hubbs was the next.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>but i have noticed on t206 and others, sometimes creases do not go through the card.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/BT205J001.jpg"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/BT205Jb001.jpg"> <br /><br />How can you go on and ON about borders, when the PICTURE in the CENTER of the card looks like it spent a year in a bathtib!
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Andrew Parks</b><p>Yer right Julie. And now that I look at the back - it might be too white.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>well i took the picture with a flash camera, if that makes differance
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>pete</b><p>its REAL.<br /><br />pete in mn
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>I lean towards real...the back seems authentic and Joss does come with a Hassan 30 back (as Julie already demonstrated). The front looks too bright and washed out but that is probably his camera flash. $40 was a very nice price even with the creases.<br /><br />Joshua
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Andrew Parks</b><p>The borders are what really sold me on this card. Those borders look real good. I dunno -- I see what julie's saying and the back looks too white, but still I also lean more to real than not.<br /><br />Get the card graded and tell us what it did!
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>ockday</b><p>Its so fake I'll give you twice what you paid for it!<br />Seriously ...it looks pretty good!<br /><br />Alan
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>thank you, i will get it graded by PSA, or GAI. But PSA has alot of problems right now. GAI grades extremely weirdly, i have seen cards with paper loss, and creases graded 2's and 3's. it all depends......
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>There's the forum favorite - SGC
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>SGC SGC SGC SGC SGC SGC!
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>is there anything speical with SGC over other grading companies?????? i havent graded cards before.
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>SGC knows a little more, and is more consistent, with what we collect on this board, imo....regards
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t205 Joss real-fake?
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>thanks everyone for your imput
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