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Archive 06-07-2006 11:34 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>For the sake of not hijacking the EPDG thread anymore, which T206s do you have with Sovereign 150 backs. I have a whole 3 in my 500 plus.<br /><br />Conroy, Ganley,L. Tannenhill.<br /><br />We may really be uncovering the true scarcity of of the little appreciated backs.<br /><br />Scot Reader, Did you keep track of backs and series?<br /><br />Lee<br />Lee

Archive 06-07-2006 11:49 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>RayB</b><p>It appears as if I have Ames/Portrait, Goode, Keeler/Portrait, and Shipke in Sovereign 150 Back out of about 120 cards.<br />RayB

Archive 06-07-2006 11:49 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>I also have 3, but out of about 250 or so:<br /><br />Tinker - port<br />Schlei - catching<br />Davis - H. Davis on front<br /><br /><br /><br />Rob

Archive 06-07-2006 12:00 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>steve yawitz</b><p>Five out of about 175 T206's:<br /><br />Beaumont<br />Hinchman, B.<br />Jordan, T. (Portrait)<br />Leifield (Pitching)<br />Williams<br />

Archive 06-07-2006 12:02 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>out of about 100 cards.<br /><br />BTW, how many Sovereign 460s out there?

Archive 06-07-2006 12:45 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>out of nearly 400, NONE!!!!<br /><br />another great mystery unfolding, Lee!<br /><br />barry

Archive 06-07-2006 12:56 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Rob NYC</b><p>I have 2 out of the 30 some odd T206s I have.

Archive 06-07-2006 01:04 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Out of 475 t206s:<br /><br />Sovereign 150 series:<br />J. J. Clarke<br />Marquard-arms at side<br /><br />Sovereign 460 series:<br />Schulte- back view<br />Chase-black hat<br /><br />Again, I thought I would have had more of these.

Archive 06-07-2006 01:31 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Here are my only Sovereign backs:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.lewisbaseballcards.com/classes/baseBallCard/images/1045Lg.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://www.lewisbaseballcards.com/classes/baseBallCard/images/922Lg.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://www.lewisbaseballcards.com/classes/baseBallCard/images/1031Lg.jpg">

Archive 06-07-2006 01:37 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...but they're exhausting for non-back collectors like me to answer. I'm going to have to catalog the backs (brand, series, factory, overprints, etc.) so that I can just do a simple search each time. I know many of you do this, but I just haven't cataloged the backs yet in my spreadsheet that keeps track of all the fronts I have and the grade of the card.

Archive 06-07-2006 02:22 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Lee,<br /><br />Here are the cards that I have with a Sovereign 150 back. I also just traded a M. Brown Cubs with a Sovereign 150 back.<br /><br />Ball (New York)<br />Bates<br />Bergen (Batting)<br />Brown (Browne, Chicago)<br />Chance (Portrait, Red)<br />Chase (Throwing White Cap)<br />Clarke (Cleveland)<br />Cobb (Green Background)<br />Covaleski<br />Criss<br />Evers (Cubs on Shirt)<br />Evers (Portrait)<br />Ferris<br />Hinchman (Cleveland)<br />McGraw (Finger in Air)<br />Niles<br />Overall (Portrait)<br />Stone<br />Turner<br />

Archive 06-07-2006 02:26 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Here is the list of Sovereign 460's that I have:<br /><br />Crandall (Portrait, With Cap)<br />Duffy<br />Ford<br />Frill<br />Geyer<br />Herzog (Boston)<br />Howell (Hands at Waist)<br />Lake (St. Louis, Ball in Hand)<br />Merkle (Throwing)<br />Murray (Portrait)<br />Oldring (Batting)<br />Pfeffer<br />Schlei (Portrait)<br />Schulte (Back View)<br />Sheckard (Glove Showing)<br />Smith (Brooklyn)<br />Tannehill (Tannehill on Front)<br />Wiltse (Portrait, With Cap)<br />

Archive 06-07-2006 02:57 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Rich Jacobs</b><p>Only one out of about 100, and that's a 460: McGraw, glove at hip

Archive 06-07-2006 03:04 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>555 T206s<br />4 Sovereign 150's: Burch, Hemphill, Nichols, Rucker<br />4 Sovereign 350's<br />2 Sovereign 460's<br /><br />JimB

Archive 06-07-2006 03:40 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>As with the EPDG, these fronts made it into my 30-card T206 collection because of their backs:<br /><br />150 Subjects - Shipke<br />350 Subjects - Merritt<br />460 Subjects - Tannehill, Washington<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Richard.

Archive 06-07-2006 03:48 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Scott T</b><p>Sovereign 150 Series make up 1.67% of my collection (8 of 480).<br /><br />1) Whitey Alperman<br />2) Doc Crandall (Portrait – No Cap)<br />3) Bull Durham<br />4) Kid Elberfeld (New York)<br />5) Ed Konetchy (Glove above Head)<br />6) Vive Lindman<br />7) John McGraw (Finger in the Air)<br />8) Jack Powell<br /><br><br>Scott <br />

Archive 06-07-2006 03:58 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>150 1 card Owen<br />350 5 cards<br />460 2 cards<br /><br />Out of 263 toal T206

Archive 06-07-2006 04:11 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Out of about 515 T206s;<br /><br /><br />Sov 150<br />Bergen, Bro<br />Donovan, Det portrait (it has back damage, series # is peeled away)<br />Ewing, Cinc<br />Killian, Det<br />Kling, Chi<br />Konetchy, StL glove high<br />Lindaman, Bos NL<br />O'Leary, Det<br /><br />Sov 350<br />Bender, Pha no trees<br />Hoblitzell, Cinc<br />McCormick, NY NL fielding<br /><br />Sov 460<br />Lake, StL<br />Wheat, Bro<br /><br /><br />

Archive 06-07-2006 04:40 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Out of my 611 t206 cards the following are Sovereign<br /><br />SOV 150<br /><br />CYoung (port)<br />Keeler (port)<br />Crandall<br />Mullin (horiz)<br />Powell (horiz)<br /><br />SOV 350<br /><br />Crawford (bat)<br />Jennings (2 hds)<br />Bradley, Doyle, Kleinow, Overall, Pfeister, Irv Young<br /><br />SOV 460<br /><br />Duffy, Crandall, Ford, Howell, Lake, Latham, Meyers, Schlei, Schaefer,<br />Schulte, Seymour, Sheckard, Wiltse <br /><br /><br />

Archive 06-07-2006 04:50 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Ray Piskadlo</b><p>3 Sovereign's...<br /><br />150: Matty portrait and Hinchman<br />460: Howell (hand on hip)<br /><br />Hey Ted, Frank's got Ewing and Lindaman in Sov. 150... you can add those to your 150 checklist. Scott has a Lindaman too.

Archive 06-07-2006 05:14 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Lee,<br />Just got back from a trip. I will post a substantive response when I get a chance. Probably tomorrow. Short answer is that I did keep track of backs and series.<br />Scot

Archive 06-07-2006 05:40 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>ockday</b><p>out of about 600 t206's i have..<br /><br />sov 150..beaumont, parent, pattee, schaefer detroit<br />sov 350..birmingham, rhoades right arm out, sullivan<br />sov 460..gandil, hummell, tannehill<br />

Archive 06-07-2006 06:09 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p><br /><br /><img src="http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1296/aw5fwalsh1lv.jpg"> <img src="http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6835/aw5rwalsh3py.jpg">

Archive 06-07-2006 06:47 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>I have always liked the Sovereign back and American Beauty. Guess I'm partial to green. I have 538 total cards and here is all my Sovereign backs:<br /><br />150 Series<br /><br />Ball (New York)<br />Bates<br />Bergen (Batting)<br />Brown (Browne, Chicago)<br />Chance (Portrait, Red)<br />Chase (Throwing White Cap)<br />Clarke (Cleveland)<br />Cobb (Green Background)<br />Covaleski<br />Criss<br />Evers (Cubs on Shirt)<br />Evers (Portrait)<br />Ferris<br />Hinchman (Cleveland)<br />McGraw (Finger in Air)<br />Niles<br />Overall (Portrait)<br />Stone<br />Turner<br /><br /><br />350 Series<br /><br />Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves)<br />Abbott<br />Armbruster<br />Bell (Hands above Head)<br />Brown (Browne, Washington)<br />Burke<br />Burns<br />Bush<br />Byrne<br />Carr<br />Casey<br />Cassidy<br />Chance (Portrait, Yellow)<br />Chase (Portrait, Blue)<br />Cobb (Bat on Shoulder)<br />Crawford (Throwing)<br />Devlin<br />Donovan (Throwing)<br />Dubuc<br />Elberfeld (Portrait, New York)<br />Evers (Chicago on Shirt)<br />Fiene (Portrait)<br />Fiene (Throwing)<br />Flanagan<br />Fromme<br />Goode<br />Hall<br />Hannifan<br />Jackson<br />Jennings (Both Hands Show)<br />Jennings (Portrait)<br />Johnson (Portrait)<br />Jones, F (Hands at Hip)<br />Joss (Pitching)<br />Joss (Portrait)<br />Keeler (Batting)<br />Killian (Portrait)<br />Kleinow (New York, Catching)<br />Kleinow (New York, With Bat)<br />Knight (Portrait)<br />Knight (With Bat)<br />Konetchy (Glove Low)<br />Krause (Portrait)<br />Kruger<br />Malarkey<br />Mathewson (Dark Cap)<br />McIntyre (Detroit)<br />Merritt<br />Moriarty<br />Oberlin<br />O'Brien<br />Oldring (Fielding)<br />Overall (Hands face Level)<br />Phelan<br />Phelps<br />Poland<br />Quillen<br />Randall<br />Raymond<br />Schmidt (Portrait)<br />Seymour (Batting)<br />Shaw (Providence)<br />Sheckard (No Glove Showing)<br />Snodgrass (Catching)<br />Speaker<br />Wallace<br />Weimer<br />White (Buffalo)<br />Wiltse (Portrait, No Cap)<br />Wright<br />Young (Glove Shows)<br /><br />460 Series<br /><br />Camnitz (Hands above Head)<br />Crandall (Portrait, With Cap)<br />Duffy<br />Ford<br />Frill<br />Geyer<br />Herzog (Boston)<br />Howell (Hands at Waist)<br />Lake (St. Louis, Ball in Hand)<br />Merkle (Throwing)<br />Murray (Portrait)<br />Oldring (Batting)<br />Pfeffer<br />Schlei (Portrait)<br />Schulte (Back View)<br />Sheckard (Glove Showing)<br />Smith (Brooklyn)<br />Tannehill (Tannehill on Front)<br />Wiltse (Portrait, With Cap)<br />

Archive 06-07-2006 06:48 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Lee,<br /> I don't have time to look this week, but I know 2 off the top of my head:<br /><br />Mathewson White Cap<br />McQuillan Field<br /><br /> Be well Brian

Archive 06-07-2006 06:53 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Drew</b><p>Sovereign 150<br />Dahlen (Boston)<br />Gibson<br />Ball (NY)<br />Beaumont<br />Bergen (Bat)<br />Niles<br />Sullivan<br /><br />Sovereign 350<br />13<br /><br />Sovereign 460<br />Bergen (C)<br />Meyers <br />Schaefer (Washington)<br /><br /><br><br>Drew

Archive 06-07-2006 08:19 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Out of 520, I've got 4 Sovereign 150's:<br /><br />Reulbach W/ Glove<br />Murphy Throwing (Horiz.)<br />Seymour Batting<br />Shaw<br /><br />

Archive 06-07-2006 08:20 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>Crawford throwing Sovereign 350<br />Mullen Pitching Sovereign 150<br />Rossman Sovereign 350<br />Schaefer Sovereign 150

Archive 06-07-2006 08:33 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Bob Donaldson</b><p>Out of about 450<br /><br />Sovereign 150<br />Elberfield Port<br />Magee Port<br />Shipke<br /><br />Sovereign 350<br />Bell Hands above<br />Collins Phil<br />Hinchman Toledo<br />Knabe<br />Malarkey<br />Meyers <br /><br />The following are Sovereigns w/ paper loss on back. I can't tell the number of subjects<br />Ames<br />Hemphill <br />Huggins

Archive 06-07-2006 09:39 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Hi Lee,<br /><br />Here are my sovereign 150s:<br /><br />Chance Red Portrait<br />Cicotte<br />Crandall No Cap<br />Mathewson Portrait<br />Mathewson White Cap<br />Willis Portrait<br />Cy Young Portrait<br /><br />Robert

Archive 06-08-2006 12:30 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Mike Brailey</b><p>I have 6 Sovereign 150's out of 329 T206's. They are:<br /><br />Clarke with bat<br />Davis, George<br />Elberfield - Portrait<br />Pelty - Horizontal<br />Tannehill<br />Wagner - bat on left shoulder<br /><br />Hope that helps,<br />Mike<br /><br />

Archive 06-08-2006 06:41 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Sovereign 150-13<br />Sovereign 350-17<br />sovereign 460-10

Archive 06-08-2006 11:57 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Jim Novotny</b><p>Out of 150 cards I have 3 150s <br /><br />Bull Durham<br />Fielder Jones Hands at hips<br />Harry Covaleski<br />

Archive 06-08-2006 04:34 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Lee,<br /><br />Here are the T206 subjects I have confirmed with Sov150:<br /><br />Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves), Alperman, Ames (Portrait), Beaumont, Bell (Hands High), Bender (Portrait), Bergan (Batting), Birmingham, Bowerman, Bradley (Portrait), Bresnahan (Portrait), Bridwell (Portrait No Cap), M. Brown (Portrait), Burch (Batting), Chance (Portrait Red), Chase (Portrait Pink), Cicotte, F. Clarke (Holding Bat), Cobb (Portrait Green), Cobb (Bat On), Covaleski, Criger, Criss, Dahlen (Boston), H. Davis (H on Front), J. Delehanty, Devlin, Donovan (Portrait), Dooin, Doolin, Dougherty (Portrait), L. Doyle (Throwing), Durham, Elberfeld (N.Y.), Evers (Batting Cubs on Shirt), Evers (Portrait), Gibson, Griffith (Portrait), Hahn, Hemphill, Herzog (N.Y.), B. Hinchman, Jacklitsch, Johnson (Portrait), F. Jones (Portrait), T. Jordan (Portrait), Karger, Keeler (Batting), Kleinow (With Bat), Kling, Kontechy (Glove High), Lajoie (Portrait), Lajoie (Throwing), Lake (N.Y.), Leach (Portrait), Lumley, Magee (Portrait), Manning (Batting), Mathewson (Portrait), Mathewson (White Cap), H. McIntyre (Brooklyn), Mullin (Throwing), Murphy (Throwing), Nicholls, Niles, O'Leary (Portrait), Owen, Parent, Pelty (Horizontal), Powers, Reulbach (Glove Shows), Rucker (Portrait), Schaefer (Detroit), Schlei (Catching), Schmidt (Throwing), Schulte (Front View), A. Shaw, Scheckard (No Glove), Shipke, F. Smith (F on Front), Stone, Sullivan, L. Tannehill (L on Front), Tenney, Tinker (Portrait), Waddell (Portrait), Wallace, Walsh, D. White (Portrait), Williams, Willis (Pittsburg).<br /><br />Scot<br />

Archive 06-08-2006 06:52 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Mike Ernst</b><p>I have, out of 580 T206's, all collected prior to 1975, with no regard to backs:<br />3 Sovereign 150, including Spencer, which is not on Scot's list<br />12 Sovereign 350<br />2 Sovereign 460

Archive 06-08-2006 09:15 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>dd</b><p>6 out of 450+ T206's<br /><br />Donovan port<br />Kling X2<br />Keeler port<br />F. Jones port<br />Weimer

Archive 06-08-2006 10:02 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Scot,<br /><br />Add these to your list of confirmed Sovereign 150<br /><br />1.Ball (N.Y.)<br />2.Chase (white cap)<br />3.Crandell (no cap)<br />4.Donohue<br />5.Lindaman<br />6.Merkle (portrait)<br /> <br />

Archive 06-09-2006 07:15 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Mike (18colt)</b><p>Out of my 510, 5 are Sovereign 150:<br /><br />Camnitz (arms folded over chest)<br />Davis (George, HOFer)<br />Donohue<br />Jacklitsch<br />L. Tannehill<br /><br />Out of those same 510, I only have one Sovereign 460 (Geyer). I also have 19 Sovereign 350 backed cards (10 minor leaguers, 9 major leaguers).<br /><br />Mike (18colt)

Archive 06-09-2006 07:39 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>Lee,<br /><br />Out of about 100, 3 Sovereign 150's<br /><br />Niles<br />Schulte (Cubs shirt)<br />F. Smith<br />

Archive 06-11-2006 10:39 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>Here's my listing.<br /><br />Dahlen, Boston<br />Doyle, Throwing<br />Gilbert<br />Jacklitsch<br />Young, Cleveland No glove<br /><br />also have a bender portrait.<br /><br />I have quite a few 350 & 460 series as a few years ago i bought a group on nearly 500 T206's of which 90% were Sovereign backs<br /><br />Scott

Archive 06-11-2006 10:49 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Scot R.<br /><br />I have 25 - Sovereign 460 cards and they all are from the 460-only Series;<br />which, as you know, comprises just 48 cards.<br /><br />So, my question to you....are Sov460 backs just available from this series,<br /> or can they exist with all cards in the 350/460 Series ?

Archive 06-11-2006 05:42 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I found a 9th Sov 150 in my pile of cards. Powers.<br /><br />I found it while looking to see what was on the back of my Schaefer Detroit card, in a different thread (P 150).<br /><br />I got an extra Powers because I figure he's a bit more difficult than normal cards. He died while the cards were out, I figure it is likely some kids threw his card away after he died. I recall as a kid in my early collecting days those first few years, I'd toss the old guys who had retired over to one side... they weren't as interesting to me after they were out of baseball.<br /><br />So I figure maybe the printers quit printing them for the Tobacco Trust, or maybe kids tossed them, but it seems there are fewer Powers cards out there than there are of some of his contemporaries.

Archive 06-12-2006 08:35 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>I missed Elberfeld, NY Port. So, out of 520, I've got 5 Sovereign 150's:<br /><br />Reulbach W/ Glove<br />Murphy Throwing (Horiz.)<br />Seymour Batting<br />Shaw<br />Elberfeld NY Port<br /> <br />

Archive 06-12-2006 08:51 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Brian E.</b><p>I have one Sov 150, a Green Cobb.<br /><br />Brian E.

Archive 06-12-2006 09:01 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Hi Ted,<br />Sov460 backs are possible only on the 460-only subjects and the six 350/460 superprints. The six superprints are Chance Yellow, Chase Blue, Chase Dark, Cobb Red, Evers Yellow and Matty Dark. Sov460 backs are NOT possible on the 350/460 regular prints. The same goes for Sweet Cap 460/30--this back is only possible on the 460-only subjects and the six 350/460 superprints. I wrote about this in Inside T206.<br />Scot

Archive 06-12-2006 02:59 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>William Heitman</b><p>My count--75 Sovereign 150's.

Archive 06-13-2006 04:25 PM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Elliot</b><p>My count:<br />3 150's.....Camnitz (arms folded), Dooin, Walsh<br />12 350's<br />1 460<br /><br />

Archive 06-15-2006 06:44 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Zach S.</b><p>I found 2 out of about a 100 or so.<br /><br />M. Brown (port.)<br />Bresnahan (port.)<br /><br />Zach

Archive 06-17-2006 10:42 AM

T206 Sovereign 150 backs
 
Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Pretty steep price but I don't think I have ever seen a Sovereign back on a Kling card:<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8825746129&rd=1&sspage name=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8825746129&rd=1&sspage name=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT&rd=1</a><br /><br />Scot, were there any in your reesearch?<br /><br />Lee<br />


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