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Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: Jason LI know about the PSA-created "Most Important 300 Cards in the Hobby" list...but have we ever seen or come up with a Top 100 Pre-War Baseball Cards list? I think that is something we should construct in 2009, as a Board. An official list. -Need criteria -Need a submissions or voting process -Need Official decisions every card would need an official reason for its inclusion. This could be the value-added from the experts on this Board...a chance to include some interesting information about the most important cards in our hobby....not based on whether or not you could obtain one for grading purposes, just the historical context and importnat facts... Now, it is likely that many of the cards that will be considered the Top or Most Important will be 1 of 1s or pretty close, but to the extent that is not the case, maybe we could even compete, -we could make it a SGC Registry "How you Collect" set that everyone enters. this sounds like work, and I am rambling a bit, but it might be an interesting and constructive endeavor for the year.... thoughts?

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: MattHey Jason - interesting topic for discussion. If the list is going to be used as a checklist/registry idea, then I'd suggest one of the criterion being that each card needs to have at least 5 or 10 known examples so that it should be somewhat possible to chase the set. If the list is to be more of a "most important" list such as for a coffee table book, then obviously 1 of 1s are fair game - heck; even fake Doyle cards could be used. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder/ForTradeSale" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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Posted By: Jason LWell, that's a good point. there could be 2 versions, one towards each of those goals. The Ultimate 100 List, would be designed as an informational resource, and could certainly qualify for addition to the Board's Archive Center The Penultimate 100 List, would be the SGC Registry Chase Set, featuring cards that are actually obtainable for a decent cross-section of our population...my hope is that it would contain some important cards towards the bottom of the cost spectrum, somehow.

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: MattI'll leave the "most important" list to someone else, but here are a few of my favorites suggested for the "Classic" set idea. I left a ton out, but wanted to get the list started.: N172 Kelly N172 Anson N162 Anson N162 Kelly N300 Anson E Cobb Leaning on Bat E Mathewson Horizontal T206 Wagner T206 Johnson Portrait T206 Red Cobb T206 Plank T205 Joss T3 Cobb M116 Wagner M116 Cobb M116 Speaker CJ Joe Jackson CJ Ty Cobb M101-5 Ruth M101-5 Thorpe E135 Hornsby E121 Ruth Montage 1933 Goudey Ruth 144 1934 Goudey Gehrig 37 <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder/ForTradeSale" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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Posted By: Dan BrettaWhich N172 Anson are you referencing Matt? I think both would make a Top 100 list, but the Anson in Uniform would be #1 on my list.

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Posted By: Shawn ChambersMy humble addition to Matt's fine list: T210 Jackson T210 Stengel T227 Cobb T205 Cobb Best, Shawn

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Posted By: Jason LCJ Mathewson CJ Lajoie T206 Lajoie w/bat T206 Speaker 1933 Goudey Foxx 1934 Goudey Greenberg Goudey Lajoie T207 Weaver T200 Cleveland Americans T202 Tinker/Evers/Chance T204 Walter Johnson

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: DarrenE95 Cobb E95 Plank E94 Cobb E94 Wagner T206 Matty dark cap T206 Johnson portrait T206 Cy Young glove shows T206 Walsh T206 Cobb green & red T202 Cobb/Jennings Ty Cobb steals third 1933 Goudey Dizzy Dean 1934 Goudey Gehrig portrait 1933 Goudey Ruth x 4 Tom Barker Game Joe Jackson -- best looking photo Jax of a period card CJ Cobb CJ Johnson T222 Johnson T207 Speaker T207 Wood E96 Mack M116 Matty T204 Keeler E121 Cobb with bat 1927 Sports Co. of America Ruth Plow Boy Wagner

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Posted By: Steve FThe list is filling up fast. E95 and or E93 Wagner E90-1 Cy Young

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Posted By: ScottDango1914 CJ Mathewson E90-1 Cobb (his rookie) 1915 CJ j jackson

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Posted By: Marty OgelvieT206 Cobb/CobbBoston Garter Joe Jackson

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: andy beckerno t-3's?

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: Bruce Dorskind We would suggest the following cards Four Base Hits Kelley Just So- Cy Young Kalamazoo Bat Team Card- Pittsburgh Boston Garter 1912- uncut sheet of 4 Boston Garter 1912 Christy Matthewson Texas Tommy Joe Jackson World Wide Gum 1936- Joe Dimaggio E 93- Wagner PSA 9 Zeenut- JoeDimaggio Rookie card Zeenut Jim Thorpe Look forward to seeing the completed list Best wishes for the New Year! Bruce Dorskind America's Toughest Want List

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: MattAndy - I had the T3 Cobb on my list, suggest which others you think belong Marty/Bruce - Looks like you guys have started the "most important" list. <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder/ForTradeSale" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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Posted By: AnonymousI like to add the following cards for concideration N175 GQ Large Kelly E223 G&B Spaulding N566 Newsboy Cab. Rusie R328 US Car. Lindstrom R300 Andrews

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: JoannJason, Great idea for a thread. It's really got me to thinking. You got kind of derailed early into quick lists, but I've tried to think about your original post and it's been tougher than I thought. First off - to get to the mechanical parts, you noted that we need criteria. I suggest the following as at least a start: 1. Card must have been issued nationally or regionally prior to 1941. (Although note that this criteria not only excludes 41 PB, it also may exclude things like Tango Eggs and Herps.) 2. Card must be of a baseball player, manager, owner or other person who's primary reason for being pictured on the card is an association with baseball. 3. Card must have been issued during the time of a player's playing career or manager's managing career (but could be later for owners and other officials). As to submissions or voting process, I suggest doing something like allowing each person - anyone here, reader, particpant, anyone - to nominate a maximum of 3-5 cards per week. The person nominating the card has to, as you stated, make a case for the card and argue why it should be considered among the 100 Most Important. Decision making could be somehow via thread, or even general acclaim. But for me the most interesting and toughest part of this is when I started trying to think of "official reasons for inclusion" for cards I might nominate as among the Most Important: 1. Card is fairly recognizable to non-collectors. Nice, but maybe limited. 2. Card that changed something about how cards were made or considered at the time. I rejected this one, since this usually happens with sets (N172, T206, Goudey), not individual cards. 3. Key card to a set. Now I feel like I'm getting somewhere. Many key cards would be fairly recognizable and have a place of some importance in the hobby. 4. A card that is classic, something that might draw someone into the vintage hobby or attract a collector of different cards over the line - kind of like a cross-over hit in music. Here's where cards like T206 Cobb Red, the Goudey Ruths, etc, might start emerging from the fog of "important cards". 5. A card that is iconic within the hobby. This one is interesting too. You could start getting into the 1 or 1's without hitting the cards that are very rare but also obscure. But even non-unique cards would be in play here. 1914 B News Ruth? 4BH Kelly? Even the E90-1 Oakes might sneak onto the bottom of the list on this criterion. The possiblities for why one might consider a card 'most important' are endless! And my humble suggestion would be to not try to define that universally as part of the criteria, but to allow each person nominating a card to go through that mental thought process too and allow for each nominee to state a case for WHY it is a 100 Most Important card. I like the way you originally proposed this, as a somewhat orderly (such as it may be for this board!) process of establishing criteria and taking suggestions/nominations with some justification for why a card belongs on the list. The process of nominating, justifying and discussing the merits of inclusion are what would be fun and educational - not just throwing out lists. Let's set some quick criteria and maybe a nominations process. I would love - LOVE - to see how some of the hobby knowledge-giants here justify their nominees and what everyone considers to be "important". Joann

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: Tony AndreaSay what you will about this card. Red mustache or not, it's Shoeless Joe's RC. The E90-1 American Caramel Jax is a no brainer to be included. Tony A.

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Posted By: MHWasn't something like this attempted about 6 years ago with a vintage baseball card HOF and it died off after about 10 or 12 cards.

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: Steve Murraye107 Mathewson e107 Wagner 1911 Zeenut Weaver 1915 Zeenut McMullin PC760 Wagner PC760 Mathewson T212-3 Ten Million e100 Weaver

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Posted By: John HarrellI would add: 1938 Goudey DiMaggio 1941 Play Ball DiMaggio John

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: Jason Lwonderfully! your comments are exactly the direction in which I was hoping to head with this. We baseball fans are very good at making lists, and that is where this immediately went... We have a very healthy group to start working with, so if some folks want to start tackling rationale for their choices, that would be fantastic. and process will need to be laid out as well, yes.

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: gotwinsN172 Harry Wright. Important personage from a great set with a striking portrait pose.

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Posted By: PaulI haven't seen these mentioned: N173 Kelly portrait N173 Ewing and Mascot Kalamazoo Bats Harry Wright E300 Wagner M110 Wagner W600 Burkett W600 Jennings, Philadelphia G&B Spaulding N142 Delahanty

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: John K I would probably be in a distinct minority, but I think that if this board were to produce such a list, rarity (thus price) would be the number one criterion for inclusion. I feel that the importance (greatness) of the player pictured and the aesthetic beauty of the card should also carry considerable weight. With that in mind, I would like to submit the 1939 and 1941 Play Ball Ted Williams. Also, the 1938 Goudey Bob Feller is an aesthetic masterpiece. The 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #144 (and #53) might be THE classic card for some of the reasons that Joann touched on in her post. I would also like to submit the Old Judge Hoss Radbourn portrait (rarity being the #1 reason here, I think).

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: DaveFor me there is no better looking Ruth card than the E121 photo montage. I know it's a long shot to be included but it really is a great looking, scarce card of the Bambino in his early Yankee days.

Top 100 Pre-war Cards

Posted By: MattDave - I share your thoughts on the E121 - it made my list above <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder/ForTradeSale" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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Posted By: steve1926-29 Exhibits Ruth