[Lordstan]

Carmelo,
Yes, we are splitting hairs, but isn't this discussion part of the fun of it all?

Your quote...
"Gwynn to me hands down better hitter. Intangibles, and or all around play goes to jeter."

Your stated opinion on this is exactly the reason why many, non NY centric fans think Jeter is over-rated. Given that you didn't see much of Molitor, it stands to reason that you saw even less of Gwynn. He played only 3yrs later than Molitor and in the opposite league from the Yanks. Despite that, you have been able to form the opinion that Jeter was a better all around player and had better intangibles! How? How do you judge intangibles? If you can't measure them in statistics then, I guess, you really need to see them play day in day out to judge how they play the game and how important they are to their team. So the only way someone could form your stated opinion is if they are biased and are overestimating one player's value because they are his fans.

Here are a few more non batting stat comparisons.
Gwynn won an MVP. Jeter never did. Jeter has 40 more SB. Both won 4 GG. Gwynn has a slightly higher fielding %(20th lifetime for RF), but Jeter (29th lifetime for SS) played a harder position. Jeter's WAR 72.1. Gwynn's 68.8. That means over a 20yr period Jeter accounted for 3 more wins. Not much of a difference really.

I'm not trying to prove Gwynn was better, as I think they are pretty much on even ground. I'm saying that only a Yankee fan would think that Jeter was definitely better than Gwynn, and a whole bunch of other guys from this same era. I think Jeter is a great player, but I don't think he is more special than a whole lot of players during the past 30yrs.

Also, regardless of the above, I think we all agree $1000 for his auto is crazy.