[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Surely as people who possess common sense, we could say we are for or against tax fraud, jaywalking, murder, watch thievery, illicit ticket scalping, or literally any other crime of your choice except this one. We could convey our general framework and values because we speak English and know perfectly well what we are talking about. And then we might dive into some fun 'what if?' scenarios and play with the edges (possible with our fingers or a tortillon or a spoon), but in no other crime of which we were both generally informed would we play dumb and pretend we can't render a judgement.

Fair enough, I think this is in a different category though, because to me yes there's a core (trimming, recoloring, adding material) but there are many other things as to which there is no consensus and which to me are more than the examples around the edges in other cases. Thus, when one says murder, it has a relatively common meaning. I don't think that's true, any more anyhow, for alteration. It just means different things to different people. So people could say yes, selling an altered card without disclosure is fraud, but they might think cleaning was fine.