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Scott PIt is Schwartz. A few months ago I sold him a T205 Tris Speaker on Ebay. It probably would have graded a 4 or 5. A few weeks later the same card under a different ID (I cannot recall now) was noticably smaller in a PRO 9 holder. I know it was the same card because of a specific mark on the back. He sold it for triple what he bought it for. Destroying cards like that I believe just makes unaltered ones more valuable.