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howardRyan was often not even the best pitcher on his own team. Throughout his career he was outpitched in various seasons by JR Richard, Joe Niekro, Frank Tanana, Ed Figueroa, Mike Scott, Bob Knepper and Vern Ruhle. I'm sure there are others but I'm too lazy to look them up. Yes, these pitchers were all good or even great for a few years but to be the all-time greatest you should not be outpitched that often by anybody.