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dennisno this is a place to talk about cards. it amazes me how much time is spent discussing GRADES and it is always grading companies or cards already GRADED by the grading companies. why not just have a seperate net 54 section about graded talk like there is for post war baseball,boxing etc. i can guarentee it would be filled because these guys love to cry and boast about what grade their cards got. some threads such as the mastro goudey lajoie or the bad snodgrass threads are good here.