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Posted By: Anonymous

I've culled everyone who's "modern" (played most of their careers in the 80s and later) who have 190+ wins. Total of 18 players - I've listed the general consensus HOF chances of each (leaving aside the Clemens issue, which is seperate)

8Roger Clemens 354YES
9Greg Maddux (42)350YES
21Tom Glavine* (42)305YES
25Randy Johnson* (44)288YES
Mike Mussina (39)260????
Jack Morris 254????
49Dennis Martinez 245NO
David Wells* 239NO
Jamie Moyer* (45)237NO
Curt Schilling (41)216????
87Kevin Brown 211NO
Pedro Martinez (36)211YES
Andy Pettitte* (36)210????
John Smoltz (41)210YES
102Orel Hershiser 204NO
113Dennis Eckersley+ 197YES
David Cone 194NO
Dwight Gooden 194NO

Wins do appear to provide a very firm line of demarcation. Smoltz and Eck are seperate with their reliever roles. But really, besides Pedro with his unbelievable peaks and bonus points (Cy Youngs, .690 W%, etc.)...is there anyone else on the list that screams HOF? Don Sutton is a good comparison point to Moose...only one season over 20 wins, no Cys, a good but never great pitcher - but he has 60+ more wins.

Unless he can get to 300, or at least 290+, I don't see it...