[oldjudge]

Obviously, you don't mean they got the save. That aside, this is a new era where it is rare for any pitcher to complete a game. Those were all great pitchers, but none was as head and shoulders above his competition as Mariano. Ultimately, the term starting pitcher may disappear; we will just have pitchers that throw three innings and those who throw one or less. When that happens and all pitchers are short stint pitchers it will become even more apparent how great Mariano was.

John-To say Mariano is no better than the Sparky Lyles and Ecks of the world would be the second biggest mistake I have ever seen, right after passing on a Taylor Shafer.