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I am not a new stats guy, and probably never will be. Don't know why; I guess I am just happy with the stats I grew up with and maybe a few of the new ones.

I was curious if there is any new metric to measure how effective a relief pitcher actually is? I was on another board and someone was extolling the virtues of John Franco. I am a life long Mets fans and watched every one of Franco's seasons in NY. And I don't think he was anywhere near great. In fact I think he was probably good - very good overall. Certainly not dominant in any way like Rivera. He came in many games, farted around, gave up a run or two, and then was rewarded with a save. Is there any new metric people have developed to judge quality appearances by a relief pitcher? Obviously the save statistic is of very limited utility.