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martythere are still a few more changes that might come (years from now), if sales fall, what would stop psa and sgc from going to sub-grades?? ya know, surface, edges, maybe a new one "smell" if like bubblegum or wax 9.5, basement and attic 5.0! always choices regardless , i do wish psa would also go to a black insert with new submissions and bumps, would it be anymore of an uproar than what's going on anyhow?