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Brianthanks leon. I know what I am talking about and if the moderator has reliable sourses of the condition of the matty with the paper loss vertically on the left side then I am pleased with that. Leon, do you know if the person who owns it now got it from my grandfather? I would like info about it. But this brings up another question then. If you guys are saying the Walter Johnson u know about has back damage, then there is another somehwere in great shape. So there are 2 known examples.