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mr. mosescatch up with many of the old posts it is likely that it was a building - growing - gnawing - and discomforting feeling I was taking away from many of the threads I chose to open, and not indicative for the most part of the specific thread or all others. That was unfair of me and perhaps off target. "I've had all I can stand and just can't stands no more....". Not sure where that was from but the stooges comes to mind "-) Wait. 1950's television show - Claude Kirshner's three ring circus and his favorite cartoons. It was Popeye "-).....