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BobOne thing I did not mention is that apparently SGC is now grading Obaks with those blue (factory?) number stamps on the back according to the condition of the card and mentioning the back stamp on the label. At least I thought that was what I heard. For those of us who had an entire set of Obaks slabbed by SGC and routinely knocked down 2 grades each for the back number stamp, it makes you grind your teeth! PSA has rountinely graded the same cards according to the card's condition and then added an MK qualifier, one of the few times I have agreed with PSA's grading. So bottom line is an SGC 30 (good) with back stamp under the old criteria looks idential to a PSA 4 (vgex). Now the card wil be an SGC 50 with qualifier if I understand the new criteria correctly. Oh well......