Thank you everyone for your input, John Harrel, I'm sure everyone would like to see that axel batKevin Ogara was kind enough to send me photos of his black tip wagon tongue, see photos below.I also got an email from Mark Mcrea about wagon tongues that was more than a little interesting...so much that I posted our exchange of email in an addenda to my Sports Antique of the Week on my site. I won't elaborate too much here...but may I pose a question to our community?...Has anyone...known anyone...who personally knew Al Spalding?...Well Mark Mcrea did. Think about that..pretty jurassic-esque! Anyway, you can read about it in the SAW addenda at www.SportsAntiques.com Leon, Again, hope OK...sorry just had to mention!