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Originally Posted by nat
"Lolich certainly deserves more consideration than Jack Morris."
I dunno, zero isn't greater than zero.
And let's keep a lid on the fWAR. Very few pitchers have a substantial impact on batting average on balls in play; year to year differences are almost all random variation. But when we're talking about hall of fame qualifications we're not talking about two or three hundred innings, we're talking about thousands and thousands. I.e., enough for us to be confident that we're seeing a real skill and not random variation. For hall of fame discussions you want bWAR.
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bwar is fairly lousy, baseball reference is an antiquated system ERA+??? that's like 1995 saber technology. FIP stabilizes over time and as you said, the large sample size evens things out, sure it might underestimate uber ground ball pitchers a touch, but not enough to make that much difference. (if you consider that WAR isn't a perfect system anyway)