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JohnThanks for the input. The Kelly card sounds familiar to me.If anyone else has any examples that would be great.The main reason i asked is because one was for sale,described as exmt with light image,and i just wanted to know out of curiosity how a card like that would be graded.Seems like it should be no better than good no matter how the rest of the card is,because that seems like a major problem to me.John