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dennis i like to see vintage cards being sold in beckett holders (or scd) because they don't get high bids. the ones i have bought are graded fine(IMO). but there just aren't too many out there. If you use the search tool i think you'll find a lot about this topic. here is an example http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31721&item=5192412085&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW i bet the sell would have got more for this card raw.