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marty qkevin, just dont disagree,wich is fine, but give us examples that would help and let people know how a mint or nm/mt ruth is just as easy passing as a nm/mt 1965 pete rose?? if you know do tell, it only helps. just my opinion- but i would think it would be easier to go on ebay and buy a psa 6 or 7 65 rose and make it into an 8 with a fake flip, buying a psa 4 ruth and trying to put it into a 7 holder might be more difficult, if we are talking about a fake card altogether thats a whole new ball game...thats on ebay everyday...aging the reprint and trying to pass it, and even those wind up into a fake holder, i think awhile back someone was duped on craigs list with a bunch of those....i stand corrected- i wasnt aware of a major auction house passing bad cards, could you please tell us wich house it was?? and what was the story?? thank you kevin. like i said, if you know it only helps us kevin..