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It is never a good thing when a fellow dies, but sometimes it is harder than others to shed too many tears. RIP.
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OJ was a memorable person, for many reasons. His passing brings to an end (at least one chapter of) a unique story.
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This is a story you haven't heard about OJ. It's pretty horrible:

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This is a story you haven't heard about OJ. It's pretty horrible:

https://twitter.com/mouvement33/stat...5Es1_&ref_url=
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O.J. Simpson juror casually admitting that 90% of them knew he kiIIed Nicole and Ron, but let him off for revenge:
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Beautiful that OJ passed peacefully surrounded by his children and grandchildren.

Something Ron Goldman was denied an opportunity to do so as he bled out.

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This all could be cross-posted in the “I need good news” water cooler thread.
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Investigator: Mr. Simpson, who do you think killed your ex-wife and Mr. Goldman?

OJ: Hmm, I'm not sure but I can take a stab at it.



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Asking OJ to try on the gloves has to be one of the worst courtroom moves in history.
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Asking OJ to try on the gloves has to be one of the worst courtroom moves in history.
Seriously, how did that seem like a good idea to the prosecution?

We all know he did it and some of the jurors have openly admitted they let him off for being black, but the prosecution did so bad that I don't see how a jury could actually vote to convict. If the detective who found the key blood evidence after it was missed several times is on the stand and is asked if he planted the key evidence and pleads the fifth, how can you convict? They created so much reasonable doubt that I'd probably have had to swallow the bile and say 'not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt'. His behavior after the case feels more incriminating than the actual heavily damaged evidence. The invented Charlie persona and 'hypothetical' interview and book really seals the deal.
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Seriously, how did that seem like a good idea to the prosecution?

We all know he did it and some of the jurors have openly admitted they let him off for being black, but the prosecution did so bad that I don't see how a jury could actually vote to convict. If the detective who found the key blood evidence after it was missed several times is on the stand and is asked if he planted the key evidence and pleads the fifth, how can you convict? They created so much reasonable doubt that I'd probably have had to swallow the bile and say 'not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt'. His behavior after the case feels more incriminating than the actual heavily damaged evidence. The invented Charlie persona and 'hypothetical' interview and book really seals the deal.
As it was unfolding, I was thinking the perfect surprise would've been the revelation that OJ had donated blood just a week before the murders. If OJ had planned the murders, that would've been a brilliant pre-emptive thing to do.

Then the defense could've raised reasonable doubt regarding all blood evidence by saying someone at the blood bank had recognized OJ, and stolen some of his blood for a frame-up.
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Seriously, how did that seem like a good idea to the prosecution?

We all know he did it and some of the jurors have openly admitted they let him off for being black, but the prosecution did so bad that I don't see how a jury could actually vote to convict. If the detective who found the key blood evidence after it was missed several times is on the stand and is asked if he planted the key evidence and pleads the fifth, how can you convict? They created so much reasonable doubt that I'd probably have had to swallow the bile and say 'not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt'. His behavior after the case feels more incriminating than the actual heavily damaged evidence. The invented Charlie persona and 'hypothetical' interview and book really seals the deal.
It was also interesting they chose not to put on evidence of the attempted flight and car chase. Or to call A.C. Cowlings.
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It was also interesting they chose not to put on evidence of the attempted flight and car chase. Or to call A.C. Cowlings.
I-am-not-a-lawyer but wouldn't the car chase only help if they had charged him for evading the law/running from the police or whatever the technical charge for not complying is, and not the murders themselves? Wanting to be free isn't proof one did the original crime.

Unpopular opinion probably, but you should be allowed to run from the cops. Ain't nothing more natural than a mans desire to be free, doesn't feel like a just crime in and of itself.
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I-am-not-a-lawyer but wouldn't the car chase only help if they had charged him for evading the law/running from the police or whatever the technical charge for not complying is, and not the murders themselves? Wanting to be free isn't proof one did the original crime.

Unpopular opinion probably, but you should be allowed to run from the cops. Ain't nothing more natural than a mans desire to be free, doesn't feel like a just crime in and of itself.
I don't remember all the details now, but I think a good argument could have been made that his flight was suggestive of guilt.

The United States Supreme Court has long held that evidence of flight after committing a crime is relevant to establish a defendant's consciousness of guilt, even though not sufficient in and of itself to sustain a conviction. See, e.g., Allen v. United States, 164 U.S. 492, 499, 17 S.Ct. 154, 41 L.Ed. 528 (1896); Alberty v. United States, 162 U.S. 499, 510-11, 16 S.Ct. 864, 40 L.Ed. 1051 (1896); Illinois v. Wardlow, 528 U.S. 119, 124-25, 120 S.Ct. 673, 145 L.Ed.2d 570 (2000).
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I don't remember all the details now, but I think a good argument could have been made that his flight was suggestive of guilt.

The United States Supreme Court has long held that evidence of flight after committing a crime is relevant to establish a defendant's consciousness of guilt, even though not sufficient in and of itself to sustain a conviction. See, e.g., Allen v. United States, 164 U.S. 492, 499, 17 S.Ct. 154, 41 L.Ed. 528 (1896); Alberty v. United States, 162 U.S. 499, 510-11, 16 S.Ct. 864, 40 L.Ed. 1051 (1896); Illinois v. Wardlow, 528 U.S. 119, 124-25, 120 S.Ct. 673, 145 L.Ed.2d 570 (2000).
That seems so wrong to me. Couldn't an innocent fellow evade the law also because he doesn't want to go to jail for a crime he did not commit? Then again, the law is not equatable to what I or anyone thinks is right.

I am not a psychologist either but I would think the choice to run from the cops, fight the cops, or comply with an arrest has more to do with mental crisis (the case for OJ, who was suicidal and clearly not really with it during the unplanned escape attempt) or for a rational accused, a calculation of whether they think they will be convicted (whether or not they did it) and if they see that outcome as preferable to the odds they will get additional charges or be murdered if they don't comply.

I read Toobin's book a year or two ago on the trial so I remember a decent bit of it for now. It's one wild case even if OJ wasn't who he was. I'm hard pressed to think of another public case that was botched so badly by the state.
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That seems so wrong to me. Couldn't an innocent fellow evade the law also because he doesn't want to go to jail for a crime he did not commit? Then again, the law is not equatable to what I or anyone thinks is right.

I am not a psychologist either but I would think the choice to run from the cops, fight the cops, or comply with an arrest has more to do with mental crisis (the case for OJ, who was suicidal and clearly not really with it during the unplanned escape attempt) or for a rational accused, a calculation of whether they think they will be convicted (whether or not they did it) and if they see that outcome as preferable to the odds they will get additional charges or be murdered if they don't comply.

I read Toobin's book a year or two ago on the trial so I remember a decent bit of it for now. It's one wild case even if OJ wasn't who he was. I'm hard pressed to think of another public case that was botched so badly by the state.
The courts only hold that it's admissible. The defense can still argue the weight. And in a specific case the judge might exclude it as unduly prejudicial. And yes, atrocious prosecution (perhaps distracted by their affair, I dunno) and awful star witness. Leaving jury nullification aside, they may not have proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
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The courts only hold that it's admissible. The defense can still argue the weight. And in a specific case the judge might exclude it as unduly prejudicial. And yes, atrocious prosecution (perhaps distracted by their affair, I dunno) and awful star witness. Leaving jury nullification aside, they may not have proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
There's a lot of cases where the prosecution doesn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, but I really can't think of another non-political prosecution where the prosecution themselves were the ones who created the reasonable doubt. They had an easy case (leaving the nullification aside) and then made poor choice after poor choice to throw their own solid evidence into reasonable doubt.

I also can't think of a case with a more egregious use of jury nullification like this. I am a fan of the concept as a check on the state by the people but according to jurors themselves it wasn't evidence or reasonable doubt, they just decided it was okay to murder 2 people since the accused was black. Effectively nullification for double homicide, that's a unique one.
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I don't remember all the details now, but I think a good argument could have been made that his flight was suggestive of guilt.

The United States Supreme Court has long held that evidence of flight after committing a crime is relevant to establish a defendant's consciousness of guilt, even though not sufficient in and of itself to sustain a conviction. See, e.g., Allen v. United States, 164 U.S. 492, 499, 17 S.Ct. 154, 41 L.Ed. 528 (1896); Alberty v. United States, 162 U.S. 499, 510-11, 16 S.Ct. 864, 40 L.Ed. 1051 (1896); Illinois v. Wardlow, 528 U.S. 119, 124-25, 120 S.Ct. 673, 145 L.Ed.2d 570 (2000).
I don't think we will find any other post in the history of online sports forums where there is even one, much less three, perfectly composed Supreme Court case citations. (And two of them are from the 19th century!)

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Deplorable person. One of the greatest rushing seasons ever, in all of NFL history. Though it's hard to separate the player from the man, when he was an "alleged" murderer.

Not sure how true this story is but I do remember something along the lines of OJ being considered for the role of the Terminator but James Cameron thought OJ was too nice of a person to ever kill someone.
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May God have mercy on his soul.
I wonder how people would feel today if OJ had been convicted of the murders.
The crime was no doubt despicable, but I believe much of the anger towards him is directed at the fact that he was found not guilty. Had he done his time for those killings or if he was still doing the time, would there be much movement toward forgiveness?
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I don't think we will find any other post in the history of online sports forums where there is even one, much less three, perfectly composed Supreme Court case citations. (And two of them are from the 19th century!)
Well, in fairness I cut and paste this from another case.
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I never understood why they didn't 'lean into' A.C. Cowlings. He had been tight with Simpson since the Community College days - before USC. I seem to recall reading about some trouble they had even back then. You know he knew everything.

To this day, athletes are still getting away with serious crimes (see UGA), though a few have been made accountable.

Simpson lived his life as a white man, but used his skin color as a defense.

The prosecution was a joke...totally inept.

That trial changed a lot of things in American life.
One of the worst things was that the cameras first fell on a Kardasian.


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I was with a friend in miami beach and OJ was there at a restaurant holding a butter knife and i tried to sneak in a picture .. this was before the las vegas incident..
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At least there were some tangible consequences for OJ. He was effectively shunned and remained a disgraced figure for the rest of his life. But there are plenty of celebrities who have been involved or were potentially involved in some pretty heinous things that have not faced any consequences whatsoever, even on the smallest scale like being excommunicated.

What happened the night Natalie Wood died, for example?
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