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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: scott dango
Ruth 1920,1921, 1927, 1928 |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I pretty much agree with all of that... the players, the line, Pujols. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: dennis
i don't agree with this ....."the first group is a list of all-time greats and triple crown winners (except Foster who doesnt belong in the same Tier)" |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Eric Brehm
It is pretty amazing that Foster was the only player who managed to hit 50 in the 25 years between Mays in '65 and Fielder in '90. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
poor Roger Maris... he got to bat against expansion teams and watered down pitching. The rest of the hitters that year must have faced only #1 and #2 starters, otherwise they'd have hit 50 something or more home runs. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I would put the line before Maris. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: john/z28jd
I dont know why you put Foster in a lower category than Maris,but it just shows how overrated Maris really was if someone thinks he was that much better than Foster. If Maris was as good as Foster career-wise he would be in the hall of fame based on the fact he was a Yankee and he had the single season home run record. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Dan McCarthy
I agree with the majority of your assessment but I think that the Fielders, Griffey, Ortiz, and Howard are all clean. I suppose you could say they are all suspected users, but with the way today's game is I think you may be able to group ALL players under that category (even the Ryan Freels of the world - look at Alex Sanchez). Hank Aaron had his career high in homers in his 17th year in the big leagues, at age 37. Today that would raise eyebrows, despite the consistency throughout his career. Lots of sluggers have had career AVGs under .300 (see Killebrew, Mathews, Stargell, Schmidt, etc), they just never quite managed to hit 50 homers. Most would agree that those guys were great hitters. I think that constraining the list to only those who hit over 50 limits the sample of statistics too much to draw any conclusion as far as whether a low batting avg and high home run numbers correlate in any way to PED use. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Scott Dango
wilson was a career .307 hitter with an OBA of .395...he has 674 career K's--713 career BB's....6 years over 100 RBI, only a 12 year career but he was very very good for 6 years.... |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Obviously I don't know who used and who doesn't. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Jim VB
Maris played 12 full seasons in the majors. He hit almost half of his career homers in just 3 of those seasons (1960,1961, 1962) but, the biggest performance enhancer he had was the fact that he was batting directly in front of Mickey Mantle. He saw an awful lot of good pitches with the guys behind him being named Mantle, Berra, Skowron, and Howard. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Jeremy
I was reading the list and I concur for the most part with that line that is drawn... It is compelling for sure. (Foster was pure - I agree with you Frank... He was skinny, but with muscle and a long swing) |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Anonymous
We like to romanticize Roger Maris but to call him an all-time great is a bit of a stretch. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Brian T.
I am one who also thinks that Griffey's name doesn't belong in the "unclean list". Do I have proof? Obviously not, but it would suprise me 100x more than ARod's "outing". |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: jay wolt
"the biggest performance enhancer he had was the fact that he was batting directly in front of Mickey Mantle" |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: macboube
What about legendary Greg Vaughn ???????????? He had 50 for SD in '98. He was on the JUICE no doubt, but the bigger question.........What was Caminiti on that year? |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Joe D.
"A-Rod has shown us that you don't need to be a big, bloated, gorilla like Jose Canseco to be a steroid user. " |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Ken Griffey Jr. played four full seasons in the majors, never hitting more than 27 home runs. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: MVSNYC
FWIW- Lou Gehrig TWICE hit 49 HR's (1934, 1936), and also had years where he hit 47 & 46 HR's...years with 184, 175, 174 RBI's... |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Fred C
Caminiti was juiced in his MVP year, I'm pretty sure he admitted it. His was a totally tragic story. There were lots of guys on the juice and I as much as I'd like to know who they were I kind of don't want to find out. Who knows how long baseball will survive. If it lasts another 100 years we'll probably see the power numbers drop from this spiked period. It would be interesting to go into the future to see how the numbers will "normalize". |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Scott Sarian
Interesting that of the retired guys who have hit 50+ HR's in a season, only 3 have less than 300 for their career. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Paul
I have to disagree with the comment that Mize and Kiner were not regarded as likely Hall of Famers during their career. From everything I have read, they were. Kiner's career was cut short by a back injury, so his career numbers ended up being less than spectacular, and as a result he just squeaked into the Hall of Fame. But he led the league in HRs for each of his first seven seasons. That's spectacular and was recognized at the time. Mize was also an amazing hitter and I have never heard a reasonable explanation for why he was not elected sooner. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Fred C
Kiner played 10 seasons and he won 7 consecutive HR crowns. Now that is dominant. He's one of the few to retire and average over 100 RBIs a season in his career. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Joe D.
Al - I guess I am an optimist. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Joe, I totally understand. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Joe D.
"So I get it. If there was some shot I could take that would insure I'd make $20 million a year as an ad guy, and all the other ad guys were taking it, then I'd probably take it too. " |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
That was awful nice, Joe. Thanks. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Dan McCarthy
As I said before, I think Griffey is clean. He's not a whole lot bigger than he was in 1989 and I feel like he (and many others, too) has more respect for the game than to taint it through steroid use. At least I hope so. Perhaps at least some of these players' parents instilled some "if everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you do it to?" values. It isn't like these players wouldn't have made good money without steroids either; all of them have at least some natural talent. At the minor league level it's different, because they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. If I was making $30k a year and could take a shot that would give me a million dollars a year I'd probably do it. If I was making $10 million per year and I could take a shot that would give me $20 million I wouldn't. You can only have so many millions. Also, I don't like needles. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: dennis
in kiners 1st year on the hall of fame ballot he received 3 votes. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Dan, we do mostly print, mail, and web. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: robert a
Scott, |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Anonymous
Balls may well have flown out of Riverfront in but in 1977 George Foster hit twenty-one HRs there and thirty-one on the road. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: sagard
...doth protest too much, methinks... |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Alan U
A few others I'd add to the suspected JUICER list (sorry if previously mentioned): |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: fkw
Easy answer |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Howard.... |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Josh C.
I don't think Griffey used. I think because of his swing mechanics he relied heavily on his legs and hips- if from injury, they start to creak, then he's going to have a dramatic decline in bat speed. The fact that he showed decline at age 36 after five straight years of major season ending or at least major injuries to his legs and wrists is not all that surprising to me. The fact that he resisted the urge to use PED's to gain back that bat speed and add muscle is the more surprising aspect in this day and age. I have to say, it is sad that the one guy of that era who really might not have cheated, is thrown to dogs with everyone else simply because of the era he played in. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Anonymous
and if Kingman hadn't missed 17 games in 1979 he likely would have been the biggest aborration on the list. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Scott Dango
missed greg vaugn on that bottom list in 1998....just further proves the point.... |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: LetsGoBucs
Willie Stargell doesn't get the credit he should. He played in one of the most pitcher dominant eras and spent the first eight years in a pitcher friendly park. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Joe D.
forget home runs.... |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Josh C.
You are correct, my mistake- Pujols hit 25 in the first two months of the season... not first month. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Howard
Frank, a great site for stats like this is www.baseball-reference.com. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: macboube
I agree re. Stargell. I was at Chavez Ravine when he popped one over the roof. A mega blast that was at least 475+++++++++. Truly a monumental shot. If I am not mistaken, he hit it out of Dodger Stadium twice, and those were the only dingers to ever go out of the stadium in about the first 35 years of it's existence. I am pretty certain Piazza is the only other player aside from Stargell to do so. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Howard
I agree w/the Pirates fan that Stargell has been underrated. In addition to the reasons already stated I think the perception of him in his later years as a fat, immobile player has stuck in people's minds even though he was still a great hitter at the time. When he was younger, however, he was in pretty good shape and was actually a decent outfielder. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Thank you, Howard. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Jim VB
How is Stargell "underrated"? |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: dennis
stargel is under rated when compared to clemente. |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: Howard
Good points, Jim. I guess the reps all of the sluggers of the 60's and 70's have suffered just a bit because of the #'s put up by more recent sluggers. But it does sound a little silly to suggest that a first ballot hall of famer is underrated : ) |
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THE 50 HR CLUB...a very telling list.....
Posted By: JERO
He was 2 shy of "50" in 2004, but talk about a complete statistical annomaly compared to his averages. In a contract year non the less. |
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