E102 set

[jas3232]

Curious to learn more about the E102 (1/25) set which I was just bought 16 cards from an estate. Why are they not listed in the Becket Encyclopedia and what is the speculation on who issued these. Any info you can share is greatly appreciated.

[FrankWakefield]

I don't know if they're listed in Beckett's, or not. I do know they're in The Standard Catalog. And Mr. Lipset covers them in the 2nd volume of his Encyclopedia. Maybe look in Beckett's under 'Anonymous' or 'E102' or chronologically around 1908.

There are 29 different in the "set of 25". Doyle batting and throwing, Miller batting and fielding, Schmidt and a Smith card, and Wagner batting and throwing. 4 variations get you to 29.

They're great cards. I've been halfheartedly working on them for just over 20 years.

[SteveMitchell]

Lew Lipset in his Volume 2, Early Gum and Candy Cards, does not speculate on the issuer but opens the listing (which runs about 2/3 of a page) with:

"E102 is another in the line of sets that are derived from the 50 subjects in E101. This group includes E92, E101, E105 and to a degree E106, T216 and D303. The cards show no maker and states, "This picture is one of a set of Twenty-five BASE BALL PLAYERS as follows."

"The most interesting thing about the set is that there are now 28 [actually 29] cards known..."

A guess on why Beckett does not include the set would be that it's quite scarce and has a relatively small following. The Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards has carried it for years, although I don't know whether or not it's in the current edition.

Sounds like you made a nice acquisition. Congratulations!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jas3232

Curious to learn more about the E102 (1/25) set which I was just bought 16 cards from an estate. Why are they not listed in the Becket Encyclopedia and what is the speculation on who issued these. Any info you can share is greatly appreciated.

The Beckett catalog should list the E102's. They are one of the standard pre-war caramel issues. Maybe Rich will chime in since he edited it for many years. Congrats on your pick up too. The E101's and E102's don't get a lot of respect but they are neat little sets. Also, one of the remaining mysteries in the hobby is; who distributed them? I feel like we will find out in the future, just as we have for some other recent discoveries ie...W555 and Nadja, to mention a few. best regards

ps...and since I sold my Cobby here is my lone E102, with the famously huge bottom border .

[matthew]

Originally Posted by Leon

ps...and since I sold my Cobby here is my lone E102, with the famously huge bottom border .

Where is the quarter?

[jas3232]

I have the Schmidt, Wagner throwing, Miller fielding, Doyle throwing.

[FrankWakefield]

Wagner fielding is the least encountered, in my estimation. But I like Mathew's question better...

[ullmandds]

how about some scans?! personally I think the miller fielding and the wagner fielding are equally difficult...nice pickup!

[ethicsprof]

my lone e102 type is evers.
i got it from the very first auction offered by the nice fellow who often puts quarters in his posts.
it's a beaut.
all the best in your most admirable quest,
barry

by the way, it's always great seeing vintage scholar, steve m., back on board!!!

[FrankWakefield]

Here's about half of mine...



and upon reflection, the good doctor is probably right about Miller fielding being Wagner fielding's equal in difficulty.

[jas3232]

I'll put them up as soon as I get them back (16 of 29) from SGC (good decision I hope vs. PSA) I'm guessing anywhere in the 4-5 range on grades but I'm certainly no expert. Can't wait to share them with you all and thanks for your input. I was hoping to complete a set now but after seeing the Cobb rookie at 14k. OUCH!!! not gonna happen.

[jas3232]

Sorry I'm new to this what's a quarter?

[Jaybird]

25% of a dollar







Leon usually pictures them next to his photos/scans

[Leon]

yes, for years I have used quarters in my scans so others can tell the size of the cards being shown......

[FrankWakefield]

In fact, Leon so often uses a quarter in his scan (for size perception, he claims) that when there isn't a quarter, some of us suspect he's pirated the image...

[ChiefBenderForever]

Are E101 a little more scarce or are they both about the same ?

[brianp-beme]

In my opinion the E102 cards are more commonly found than E101's, but not by a huge amount.

Brian

[ChiefBenderForever]

Thanks Brian, thats what I thought. At least for Chief Bender anyways, I would say the ratio is about one E101 for every to 3 or 4 E102, but I've only been watching for a few years. Also it seems that the E101 are much tougher to find in better condition which could be a result of how they were packaged or distributed.

[Rob D.]

Regarding Lajoies, I see dozens of E102s for every E101. And though E102 Lajoies farily regularly show up in very good-excellent condition, I've had a hard time finding an E101 in a solid mid-grade.

[barrysloate]

I agree with Rob. E102 Lajoies appear so frequently they might be double printed. But you don't see E101's very often.

[ullmandds]

That is an awesome start to the set...you've already knocked off some real toughies. So was this an original collection...or was someone trying to build the set? They sound like they're in really nice shape too...can't wait to see em...you should still go for the set...that cobb must have been in great shape for that $$$!

[jtschantz]

My Humble start to the set...looking to put it together in psa 4 plus

[ChiefBenderForever]

Originally Posted by jas3232

I'll put them up as soon as I get them back (16 of 29) from SGC (good decision I hope vs. PSA) I'm guessing anywhere in the 4-5 range on grades but I'm certainly no expert. Can't wait to share them with you all and thanks for your input. I was hoping to complete a set now but after seeing the Cobb rookie at 14k. OUCH!!! not gonna happen.

You can get a SGC50 E102 Cobb for a fraction of a grade higher price, last year one sold for just over 2k and others in the 2-3k so don't give up !

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...x?lotid=114293

As for the difference in condition of E101 and E102 here is a good example. I have seen more E106 Benders than E101,but again only in a three year span.

[chaddurbin]

with the e101/e102s it comes down to appearance also. alot of have diamond or oc cuts. to find a high grade (4 or 5) perfectly centered is a dream and should command a premium although on some of the players i don't know if that's possible. premium shouldn't be placed on the e102 because of the old "1908" dating as that's been proven false so the cobb is not his earliest "card".

[Mikehealer]

Nice cards Joel, real beauties.

[jtschantz]

Thanks Mike..Johnnie...etc....looks like we are all snowed in today with nothing better to do than this. Not even a good game on TV today!

[E93]

Originally Posted by jtschantz

My Humble start to the set...looking to put it together in psa 4 plus

Those are gorgeous! You are off to a great start!
JimB

[jas3232]

An original collection passed down which makes me appreciate it that much more.

[SteveMitchell]

Barry Arnold wrote in #9:

Originally Posted by ethicsprof

...
by the way, it's always great seeing vintage scholar, steve m., back on board!!!

Thank you for the grade promotion. My teachers will be pleased to learn I'm a "vintage scholar". Really, I'm just fairly good at cutting-and-pasting - a necessary job in old hobby periodicals.

[ethicsprof]

you're too humble, ole buddy.
your editing a key vintage pub. in the old days was mighty groundbreaking.
even getting some of the greats like buck barker on board.
all the best,

barry

[BCD]

I have a matty in psa 6 Chase in 5 that will 6 and a few others in 6 as well~

[jas3232]

Here's a few back from SGC

[ullmandds]

those are super sweet!!!! A nice start on the set...the rest should be noproblem!

[deadballera]

How can you tell which series if it is blank backed ? I have a blank backed Chase tucked away somewhere... sorry, no scans available yet.