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Old 07-03-2007, 05:41 PM
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Posted By: Darren

Does anyone have a legitimate brown old mill reverse?; if so, would you please post with a black old mill reverse for comparison.

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Old 07-04-2007, 08:12 AM
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Posted By: MVSNYC

Brian W. used to have one, i know he has scans...maybe he could also post the brown & black Lenox as well? thanks...

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Old 07-04-2007, 08:16 AM
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Have there been any recorded sales of a Brown Old Mill reverse? I'm curious what kind of premium they have brought if ever.

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Old 07-04-2007, 08:33 AM
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Posted By: MVSNYC

Dave- Brian W. can answer all of these questions...

Barry- that's me, brother, filming my latest movie...

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Old 07-04-2007, 11:05 AM
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Posted By: JimB

I have never had success with the search function here, but scans of blacks and browns have been posted at least a couple of times before.
JimB

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Old 07-04-2007, 11:21 AM
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Posted By: Darren

Hello JimB,

I seem to recall seeing scans here as well, and did do a PPS prior to posting.

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Old 07-04-2007, 11:28 AM
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Posted By: Trae R.

Here's one that I could find using the search function:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1126903002/

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Posted By: Zach Rice

The card pictured below is not mine, however, it clearly shows a very real and very brown (not a faded black) Old Mill back.

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Posted By: Scot Reader


I think all of the Brown Old Mills are hand-cut. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.) The last time I saw a legitimate one on eBay was 2004. The subject was Revelle and the card did not sell. The starting bid was in the thousands.


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Old 07-04-2007, 02:01 PM
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Posted By: Brian Weisner


Hi Dave,
I'll post some scans when I have a chance.

Hi Michael,
Thanks for the scans,nice pickup.


Hi Scot,
You are correct; all of the "real" Brown Old Mills I have seen were hand cut including the Revelle which I used to own. I purchased the card in one of Lipset's auctions (November,2004)I think, along with an entire set of 48 Southern Leaguers. I traded the card about 6 months after the auction, so I can't give you a price, but doubt you can buy one for less than $2500.00.


I will try to add more later. Be well Brian

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Old 07-04-2007, 02:31 PM
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Here's the Revelle:

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Old 07-04-2007, 02:56 PM
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Brian or anyone who might know,
Does anybody know if all of the brown Lenox examples were handcut as well? Is there a checklist of these? Are there more than one known of any of them?
JimB

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Jim,

The only Brown Lenox example I've seen in person was not hand cut.

Rob

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Old 07-04-2007, 03:02 PM
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Posted By: Brian Weisner


Hi Jim,
All of the Brown Old Mill's I have seen,(5 or 6) and all of the one's I have been told about,(another 3) were all hand cut. I would guess that there are less tha 20 in existence, but I don't have a list. I will go back thru my catalogs, but I think Lipset had a lot of 5-6 of these back in the 90's.

Be well Brian

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Old 07-04-2007, 03:06 PM
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Posted By: Brian Weisner


Hi Robert,
Brown Lenox are totally different, as they were factory cut, and I believe inserted into packs by accident. Or the printers ran out of black ink and used the plentiful brown ink used for the names to complete a print run, thinking no one would notice. Either way, Brown Lenox and Brown Old Mills are apples and oranges.
Be well Brian

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Old 07-04-2007, 03:30 PM
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Hi Brian,

Jim was asking those questions about the brown lenox.

We've kind of weaved back and forth a bit from old mill to lenox.

Thanks for the info.

Robert

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Posted By: Brian Weisner


Hi Rob,
Thanks for helping me answer Jim's original question. I've been so busy lately I haven't had time to "hang around the board" and read all of the post. Not to mention adding in a few Seinfeld references for Barry.....

Be well Brian

PS Barry, I love to use commas, semi colons, and periods in my post, just to make you cringe a little.......Summer of George....

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"Michael- dig that new avatar of Tom Cruise!"

Haha, looks like Borat without the mustache.

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Brian- you know Elaine broke up with her boyfriend over an exclamation point, so you are in good company.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner


Hi Barry,
Top of the muffin to you!!!
Where did you get those glasses?
Did you stop at the counter at the theater???

Be well Brian

PS $50.00 says you and Puddy are back together....

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Jim B

I have a Lake Brown Lenox in a SGC 30 holder and sorry to say I do not own a Brown Old Mill.

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Trae-

Niiiiiiiiiice!

I like.

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Brown & Black Lenox

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