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Wow ! the cost of finding out values, Is It Wasted $$
Posted By: rand
$17.99 monthly membership $179.90 yearly membership |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
Considering I've never spent $179 for a single card before, it seems to me like a waste of money. I've come up with my own way for determining values ... I look at the average eBay BIN price and divide it by two! |
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Posted By: JDRUM
As for the reality, I don't know. It is reporting recorded prices. Are they all "arms length" transactions, I don't know. I would say that if you are an active buyer and buy a lot of cards the data can be very useful for comparative purposes. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
In the end, doesn't one have to decide what a card is worth to THEM? Something is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it and if I want a card badly enough, I'm not going to concern myself with someone else's judgment of what that card is worth. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Personally, NO, not worth it. Spend $180 on a T206 HOFer, ungraded. Then, in a few years, you'll be much happier that you bought the card, instead of subscribing to something ethereal. |
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Posted By: ErikV
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Posted By: Steve
I also don't need or use VCP. |
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Posted By: Dan Koteles
it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it ! |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
How much you pay depends on how others price it. Competing bidders, or lack thereof, and their ideas of value have direct effect on the amount you write on the check. Further, people's 'willing to pay' numbers are derived, in part, from the sales and auctions prices they have observed. Even a collector who is conscious of willing to pay more or less than the going rate is conscious of the going rate. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I don't subscribe to VCP, but the free sections are very useful to me. I'm not so much interested in the value of a card as I'll determine myself how much I want to pay for something. I prefer cards to be ungraded anyway, but I like that I can go to VCP just to see if something exists or to pull up a list of available cards for a certain player. |
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Posted By: Steve Dawson
I can't speak to the value of VCP since I don't subscribe to it, but as far as PSA goes, you get six free submissions with your annual fee, and this year, they gave all members a coffee table-sized book "Collecting Sports Legends". |
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Posted By: leon
I guess for all transperancy I should say that Bobby (VCP) is an advertiser. I think most folks know that anyway, though his banner is only on the BST side of things. |
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Wow ! the cost of finding out values, Is It Wasted $$
Posted By: Rob D.
And there's not that much shilling, but a bit. |
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Posted By: Al
I think this issue revolves around what you collect, how much you pay for cards and how much information are you willing to pay for. I believe VCP gives me plenty of bang for buck. In addition to looking up cards, I have created several "want" lists, which, when a card comes up at a bunch of different places, I get an email telling me about it. This saves a TON of searching. Additionally, I can create my own collection list, which shows me trends in sales patterns to give me a general idea of market conditions. VCP is really the way to go for me. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Rob, you're going to get sued. Shilling? Are you kidding me? Of course not. Especailly not on the raw cards. |
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Posted By: JimB
VCP has saved me $1000s of dollars on both the buying and selling end. It is an invaluable resource. It is susceptible to the various flaws present in ebay and other auctions, but in general it is an incredibly valuable resource. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. |
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Wow ! the cost of finding out values, Is It Wasted $$
Posted By: Bruce Dorskind
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Wow ! the cost of finding out values, Is It Wasted $$
Posted By: Rob D.
Wow, I couldn't see Bobby's lips moving at all. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Rob, you ask how I KNOW... |
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Wow ! the cost of finding out values, Is It Wasted $$
Posted By: Rob D.
Take a deep breath, big fella. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
What is the deal, Rob??? |
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Posted By: Tim
Speaking from experience: |
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Posted By: Rob D.
Frank, I apologize. I did a poor job of making clear what I was asking so you could understand. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
BS Rob... just BS... |
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Posted By: Rob D.
I think I'll "cease fussing," podna, lest to provoke any more rants like the above. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
VCP--Could not live without it. If you collect a large number of sets, it becomes an invaluable tool. Best thing for the vintage card collector in years. |
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Posted By: Tim
I've been following this post and I find your brow beating of Frank over his post absurd. It was obvious he wasn't stating fact, but rather his opinion and you want to call him out when it wasn't even relevant to the discussion at hand. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Rand asked 2 questions... |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Are the prices real? |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Duck, Jim, Rob leads with his right, mean left hook to follow. |
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Posted By: Robert Dixon
To me it is. As a new collector, I think VCP has saved me from getting ripped off more than once. Besides, the site is just fun to browse through. |
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Wow ! the cost of finding out values, Is It Wasted $$
Posted By: Rob D.
Tim, |
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Posted By: Tim
Edited as I was combining two of Franks post. |
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Wow ! the cost of finding out values, Is It Wasted $$
Posted By: Tim
Rob D. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
10, 20, 30--how about one one hundredth of 1%--this is an opinion--it could be two one hundredths of one percent. |
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Posted By: MIkeU
Personal opinion is that VCP is worth every single penny. Even if you only buy $500 to $1,000 worth of cards a year, it is likely going to save you the price of admission. |
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Wow ! the cost of finding out values, Is It Wasted $$
Posted By: Rob D.
And there's not that much shilling, but a bit. |
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Posted By: Tim
Really Rob, you think that Frank saying that there is some shilling but not a lot is some declaration of fact about the exact amount of shilling in the hobby? |
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Posted By: Rob D.
Tim, |
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Posted By: Tim
Now youre just being silly. You hide behind the guise that your question was just to clarify and not an incrimination of Frank. You base your arguments on specific words and give no weight to the substance. You try to hide behind your meekness when it just comes across as smugness. |
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Posted By: Scott Fandango
not knowing the past sale figures of a card you are about to buy is not too wise.... |
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Posted By: rand
Rob D, Rand here, i re-read your posts in this thread, i didnt read an opinion from you about my topic. if you have thoughts on either question please articulate them. if not, kindly refrain from highjacking the topic. personally, i do not know how much shilling goes on, i mentioned it as it is a legitimate part of the equation. |
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Posted By: Al
I wonder how diluted the pop report has become. If we are to make the fair assumption that "x" number of cards from almost any collection are crack-outs, or will become crack-outs, how is PSA to know how to handle pop data? |
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Posted By: JimB
Of course there is shill bidding. How pervasive it is, is mere conjecture. Due to shilling there are some false numbers on VCP. If you have a sense of the sellers, you get to know which ones are trustworthy. Just yesterday I was going through some recent sales on T206 HOFs. There was one seller reporting #s at about 30-40% higher than anybody else on virtually every card he sold. I just disregarded all of his sales and made a note not to bid in his auctions. |
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Posted By: CLAUDE
I believe you can now get a 24 hour pass to VCP for $3.99. |
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Posted By: Mark L
The pop reports have limited use. It is revealing if it says that only a couple of cards have been graded. Otherwise, it is something of a guess. The pop reports won't be definitive until the grading companies post a scan of each card that is graded and encapsulated, so that we can identify those cards that have been resubmitted ad infinitum. Of course, this is not likely to happen. In the end, the prices realized may be more informative. |
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Posted By: Jason
I think it would be a great tool for type card collectors or high end cards of popular sets. |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
I must say Rob D that for someone that contantly seeks out opinion or exploits other people's opinion that you really have none . Bro you should go into politics. As for schill bidding everyone knows it does exist and VCP can be misleading. The best way to figure out expensive cards is the pop report because if some of the top five set builders can use the card in a upgrade then watch out because the fireworks will fly. Their is nothing wasted about finding out values of cards if the information is available. It truly comes down to how much you spend. If you spend five figures a year on cards or more then you would be foolish not to have all the necessary information in order to buy correctly. By the way is Larry Fitzgerald a monster or what? That dude can ball baby. |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
It isn't a "for sale" listing. I don't know how many times that has to be said before people get it. If the card is scarce, no guide is going to peg a price on it and you will have to pay what the seller is willing to take for the card. |
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Posted By: Martin Neal
I always donate my SMR to the local card shop. Occasionally, I will read what Joe says for the heck of it. It's only worth is the advertising revenue it brings to Psa. |
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