W555 scan request

[phlflyer1]

I used to collect the W555 set but gave up a couple of years back due to slow progress after having topped out at around 52 or so different examples.

I don't believe that I've ever seen both Collins poses (light and dark uniform) or all three Young poses that are checklisted and would love to see scans if anyone cares to share images of their Collins or Young W555s.

For that matter, I'd enjoy seeing any W555s that my fellow collectors would like to post on this thread so please post em if you've got em!

[Ladder7]

FIne set. Got neither you're looking for, good luck.

[birdman42]

Bill

[caramelcard]

Hi Scott,

Still have not seen the Mowrey or the other Collins pose.

Rob

[bcbgcbrcb]

I sold my Collins quite a while back but here is a scan of it...........

[GoSoxBoSox]

I bought Scott's collection. We've been debating the Collins light dark uniform variation because I feel I have two different Cobbs from this set. My claim is that one is a darker print than the other. The dark print Cobb also shows Cobb further to the left than the lighter print Cobb. I believe the Collins light and dark uniform variations is the same as this Cobb variation. I do not doubt that all of these have a light and dark variation with the dark variation being in the minority, population wise.

These first ones are the darker variation with Cobb shifted to the left. You can't see Cobbs eyes whatsoever in this version. Shadows are darker. the button line in the middle of the unform is much darker. And so on...





These are the light version with Cobb more centered. You can see his eyes in the lighter version a little better. ALthough these scans don't make that very clear.



These last two are my two Cobbs which is one of each.



This is my Collins which has to be the light version.



I have 55 of the 68 cards and have never seen 11 of the 13 that I need.

Want list:
1909 W555 Bates
1909 W555 Bescher, have scan
1909 W555 Byrne
1909 W555 Cicotte
1909 W555 Collins (dark uniform)
1909 W555 Crawford
1909 W555 Ford
1909 W555 Lake
1909 W555 Magee
1909 W555 Mowrey
1909 W555 Nichols, have scan
1909 W555 Vaughn
1909 W555 Young (Standing, full name on front)

[caramelcard]

Tom,

Nice post. That makes total sense and is enough info for me to cross the collins pose off.

Best of luck with your set. I've never heard of a complete set.

Rob

[spec]

I believe the Collins (dark uniform) is a different photo of a different player, John (Shano) Collins despite what it says on the Old Cardboard checklist.

[GoSoxBoSox]

Interesting. I have never heard that theory before. Is there a reason you believe that?

The funny part is that this isn't even Eddie Collins. It's Jimmy Collins, who was not a member of Philadelphia, despite what all of the checklists say. The maker of the set obviously thought it was Eddie by putting Philadelphia on the card.

[spec]

I've got a copy of the Collins (dark uniform) though I am unable to post a scan at this time. It's definitely a different player and appears to be Shano Collins, who debuted with the White Sox in 1910. Yes, the W555 pictures Jimmy Collins, not Eddie, but remember Jimmy finished his career with two seasons in Philadelphia, 1907 and 1908, so that might explain the confusion.

[phlflyer1]

Hi Rob,

I still have never seen a W555 Mowery either and would love to see one along with any of the other players on Toms want list.

Spec,

Please do post a scan of the "dark uniform" Collins when you have the time as I know several of us who have collected or are collecting the set would enjoy seeing the image.

Bill,

I like the large borders on your example. It looks like you have the whole tab from the candy box!

Thanks to everyone who has shared some W555 images so far. Would love to see more from other collectors.

Here is the Snodgrass from the set which is one of the few W555s that does not borrow its image from E93/E94/E97/E98.

[Ladder7]

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by phlflyer1

Here is the Snodgrass from the set which is one of the few W555s that does not borrow its image from E93/E94/E97/E98.

Thanks for sharing the W555 Snodgrass Scott...I have never seen this image before. I didn't realize that Fred was a catcher, but I checked and he played a total of 6 games at the beginning of his major league career between 1908 and 1910. It is interesting that the card shows him with the catcher's mask on...perhaps this is an indication that the photo was taken in 1908, when the 3 games he played that year were at the catcher's position.

Brian

[wonkaticket]

[brianp-beme]

...and, something that I imagine has been discussed here before, but I noticed that all the SGC graded card labels for these W555's indicate a 1907 issue date. Doesn't the Snodgrass card point to these being issued in 1908 or later?

Brian

[Kenny Cole]

Young

[spec]

Sorry for the delay but I'm finally able to post scans of Collins (dark uniform) and Mowery from W555.

Originally Posted by phlflyer1

Hi Rob,

I still have never seen a W555 Mowery either and would love to see one along with any of the other players on Toms want list.

Spec,

Please do post a scan of the "dark uniform" Collins when you have the time as I know several of us who have collected or are collecting the set would enjoy seeing the image.

Bill,

I like the large borders on your example. It looks like you have the whole tab from the candy box!

Thanks to everyone who has shared some W555 images so far. Would love to see more from other collectors.

Here is the Snodgrass from the set which is one of the few W555s that does not borrow its image from E93/E94/E97/E98.

[brianp-beme]

Thanks for posting Spec...it certainly doesn't look like Eddie Collins. And Mowrey sure has a pained look on his face.

Brian

[caramelcard]

Wow. Thanks. This really is a first for me. I never thought I would see these two. Very interesting that these two images do not belong to the E93-E98 family AND also happen to be super tough W555s compared to those that do belong.

Rob

[bcbgcbrcb]

I believe that the original catalogue date for the set was 1907, thus the grading companies have used it. Today, it has been deteremined to a c1909 set based on team changes, etc.

[edhans]

Thanks Spec. 30 years in the hobby and I hadn't seen those until now. For what it's worth, the Mowrey is somewhat similar to his E96 pose (note the facial expression and cap positioning).

[phlflyer1]

Spec,

Thanks so much for taking the time to scan those two cards in and for sharing them with us.

Those two were on my want list for many years when I was collecting the set and I am just happy to see the scans and know that they actually exist!

Makes me wish I was still collecting the set

Here is something else I can share about W555 from my years of collecting it. I have found the Pastorious card both with and without a comma separating the players name and team.

Normally all W555s have the comma between the players name and team but I've found two examples of the Pastorious without the comma so I'd say it is a legit variation within the set (not that too many people would care since the set is so tough to consider attempting anyway).

One more thing to add about the Pastorious variation is that there is a slight difference in the cropping of the image between the example with comma and the ones without.

The left side of the uniform in the example with the comma goes right to the edge of the black border on the left while there is some slight space between the black border and the left side of the uniform on the examples without the comma.

The difference in cropping of W555 images is something that Tom Papa alerted me to on some other players from the set and is visible in some of the scans he posted earlier in this thread. It seems like at some point after several printing runs it was decided to change, ever so slightly, how many of the images were cropped within the set.

[ValKehl]

This example is from my type-card collection: