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Posted By: steve yawitz
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Posted By: quan
steve i guess ur implying the wrinkle isn't there anymore? |
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Posted By: Seth Nagdeman
Here is a link to the auction from where it was purchased. |
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Posted By: quan
seth i'm not much of a t guy so i didn't realize it was in your upcoming auction. very honorable thing you're doing and u/19thcent.org is always top notch in my book. |
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Posted By: Seth Nagdeman
This looks like the same card. I was looking at the two scans closely, and there is a small spot just above the bottom right corner. |
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Posted By: Seth Nagdeman
If someone removed the crease/ altered the card (as Steve claims) PSA could identify who submitted the card. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Seth- I very much respect the way you handled this. It is a shame that you may now have to take a hit on it (I'm assuming it's yours but I realize that may not be true). |
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Posted By: Seth Nagdeman
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Interesting dilemma: should that card be in an AUTH holder? I guess so, but I'm not sure. |
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Posted By: Scott Dango
i thought that if a card had a crease that ran through the reverse, the highest grade it could get was a PSA 5, if the rest of the card was in excellent shape....i have had perfect cards (seemingly) come back a 5, then you see the crease you missed.... |
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Posted By: Joann
Wow. Nice catch Yaw. I do believe I will keep an eye on this thread to see how it all plays out. It's one thing to have theoretical debates about crease removal, but different to see it happen in reality and lead to a 3-grade bump, no less. If that is what happened here, it will be both interesting and instructive to see where all the chips fall. |
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Posted By: Erick Lewin
what happened to the line on the front left border midway up? It shows on the SGC holdered one but not the PSA one. |
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Posted By: Seth N.
I am reviewing the card right now under a lamp and there is no crease anywhere on the card. |
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Posted By: Seth N.
There is a small chip of paper loss on the right border a little ways up from the right corner and possibly the reason for the original SGC 30 grade. |
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Posted By: Erick Lewin
Yeah i see that now. It looks like a "hair" from the SGC insert, i would guess. Good eyes. |
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Posted By: Seth N.
Steve, Thank you for alerting me of the situation with the card. It would be great if you have a large scan of the card that shows the crease. This would be very helpful to see and conclusive in this scinario. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
1. That certainly looks like the same card. |
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Posted By: leon
I have never tried to take a crease or wrinkle out of a card and never had anyone try to do it for me. That being said if a light wrinkle were somehow removed and could never be seen again, why wouldn't the grade bump up be alright? I know this is a sticky area but is it any different than a pencil mark that is erased? So far I have never seen anyone say they have seen a light wrinkle come back after it was taken out. I think one person has said they saw a crease come back, when this was debated before. Good catch Steve and nice handling of the affair, Seth....., |
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Posted By: Brian
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Posted By: barrysloate
Leon- that would make sense except in an instance like this, where the same card has a history of being in a different holder with a lower grade. Then the idea of trying to get away with spooning out a crease won't work. |
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Posted By: leon
I don't disagree....but even with this pedigree of wrinkle and no wrinkle, I am not sure the grade (without the noted chip) wouldn't be warranted...EVEN though we know it was in a 2 holder before. Mostly I am making these statements for a debate |
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Posted By: steve yawitz
Seth, |
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Posted By: Seth Nagdeman
Steve, It was a long shot that you would have a scan showing the crease, but I had to ask. I removed the card from the auction. |
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Posted By: Fred C
Steve, |
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Posted By: Seth N.
Fred, |
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Posted By: steve yawitz
Actually it was a vertical crease - sorry if I messed up earlier. It was over the left third of the card and ran almost from border to border. I can't remember if it went all the way from top to bottom, but it was pretty darn close if it didn't. I don't recall the little mark at elbow level, and as Seth said, it might be some kind of particle that infiltrated the holder. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
Am I the only one who does not see the 'coast to coast' crease in the 'before' scan? |
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Posted By: steve yawitz
No. It was a light wrinkle - obvious in person, but very difficult to pick up in a scan. |
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Posted By: Douglas
I can't see the entire crease either, I can see a mark on both borders though. Why are the pigments different? At least they appear that way to me. |
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Posted By: Seth N.
Douglas, The pigments are different because that is evidence of a tiny amount of paper loss. I didn't see this originally, but after putting the card up under a lamp for a closer review I saw this. Seth |
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Posted By: Seth Nagdeman
There are no creases on this card. |
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Posted By: Douglas
I am completely new to card collecting, so please bear with me on my questioning. |
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Posted By: Seth N.
Douglas, |
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Posted By: Turner Engle
I submitted the Red Cross card to SGC in mid 2007 knowing that it would not grade higher than a "30". The wrinkle/crease in person was quite obvious after looking at it under the light (ran T/B through the card). |
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Posted By: sporteq
I`m not surprised .. this why i stopped chasing cards 15 years ago and did the switch to mostly memorabilia. I remember having a Tinker Cracker Jack that i tried to consign to auction. It was rejected from being bleached. Then, i bought a bunch of spooned out cards. I couldn`t get a refund from the seller. Anyhow, this thread is a nice read. |
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Posted By: Fred C
Turner, |
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Posted By: steve yawitz
What is it about CU that elicits that kind of "Go ahead and ban me!" mentality? |
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