Who Should Be in the Hall that isn't

I know you guys have argued about this before but I thought this would be a good time to bring the debate back up with the election that just happened. Who do you think should be in "The Hall" that has yet to be inducted. My top two picks are

1. William "Dummy" Hoy
2. Carl Mays

There are a few others but I would like to see everyones thoughts on this.

Thanks

[Scott T]

I think a strong case can be made for Tony Oliva.

[Robextend]

1 - Ron Santo
2 - Jimmy Ryan

[base_ball]

Marvin Miller

[NYHighlanderFan]

Joe Jackson (A lifetime ban expires once you're dead, right?)
Mel Harder
Bert Blyleven
Tommy John

[Robextend]

Originally Posted by NYHighlanderFan

Joe Jackson (A lifetime ban expires once you're dead, right?)
Mel Harder
Bert Blyleven
Tommy John

Hey, being someone that has never heard Mel Harder's name brought up in HOF discussions before, could you explain why you think he should be in? Seems like his numbers are overall unimpressive to be considered for the HOF.

Thanks - Rob

[Wite3]

Sherry Magee

Joshua

[NYHighlanderFan]

His HOF plaque would read Sherry Magie.

[kkkkandp]

Players
Bob Caruthers
Jim McCormick
Tony Mullane
George Van Haltren

Executive
Chris Von Der Ahe

[Bosox Blair]

Wow - people want Hal Chase and Carl Mays in the Hall of Fame??? A pair of deplorable scumbags, not just in personal life but directly in the game of baseball. If the early days of baseball had any more Hal Chases and Carl Mays-es, the game might never have made it past the 1920s.

If Carl Mays is in, then Eddie Cicotte ought to be a lock (of course we all know that can't happen). In their time, it seems to me that more people respected Cicotte than Carl Mays.

Cheers,
Blair

[rhettyeakley]

I took another look at my list and I completely forgot Harry Stovey
-Rhett

Also, Hal Chase was admittedly a pretty rotten guy and I should have qualified my earlier statement w/ the fact that he is actually banned from baseball so he will never actually get in (unless they also induct Jackson and/or Eddie Cicotte)

Mays should be in though (as he was never banned, unlike the aforementioned players)

[barrysloate]

Harry Stovey may have the best stats among players not in the Hall. A .321 career average, two seasons over .400, 744 stolen bases, and 119 home runs in an era when virtually nobody reached one hundred. He had less than 6000 at bats and only 1925 hits, so that may have held him back. Certainly much stronger stats than his contemporary Tommy McCarthy.

[calvindog]

When the HOF had its first vote in 1936, only 5 players got in -- but many more received votes. Hal Chase had the 25th most votes, ahead of 18 eventual HOFers including Three Finger Brown, Sam Crawford, John McGraw, Connie Mack, Bill Terry and Al Simmons. In the 1937 vote, Chase received more votes and moved up to 22nd on the list of most votes, ahead of 32 eventual HOFers. But for his criminal actions, Chase would have been a HOF lock. He was roundly recognized as the best first baseman of his time by not just the press but his peers as well.

[JasonL]

Originally Posted by calvindog

But for his criminal actions, Chase would have been a HOF lock. He was roundly recognized as the best first baseman of his time by not just the press but his peers as well.

I find it interesting, how the writers have always had this morals component to their voting. Not letting Chase in, not letting Mays in, making Alomar wait, etc.
There are a group of players that are all shoe-ins, if it weren't for either this "moral threshhold" or being banned, or both...their names have all been thrown around in this thread already...what an interesting HOF it would be if we could just admit them all based solely on their baseball accomplishments.
Add:
Rose
Jackson
Cicotte
Mays
Chase
Alomar
McGwire
Character aside, I would say, boy that group just got a whole lot better!

[Boomer]

Ken Boyer

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by calvindog

He was roundly recognized as the best first baseman of his time by not just the press but his peers as well.

Oh, I don't doubt Chase's skills for a second...and imagine how much better his fielding numbers would have been if he didn't take so many payoffs to make errors .

Cheers,
Blair

[NYHighlanderFan]

Though more deserve it, at least the baseball HoF doesn't feel like they have to put six or eight guys in every year like the football HoF does!

[bobbyw8469]

My short list...I am not an expert or anything, but I am thinking....

#1) Roger Maris
#2) Pete Rose
#3) Don Newcombe
#4) Ron Santo

[DanP]

Pete Rose
(I can't stand the sight of him, but he definitely should be in). I'm OK with inducting him the year he dies. I really don't want to see him benefit from being inducted.

Joe Jackson
Ron Santo
Gil Hodges
Luis Tiant (great stat's, personality has to count for something)

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Fred Lynn would have been in if he stayed with the Red Sox
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How about Horace Clarke? Was there ever a worst lead-off hitter?

[Frank A]

Fred Lynn played the outfield so hard he destroyed himself. You can't keep running into walls. He really was a great player.