Question about grading hand cut cards.

[Rookiemonster]

Hey, I just seen a 1960 Hemmets journal Cassius Clay psa 10. I thought that hand cut card DID NOT get grades from psa. It’s a great looking card still little off center. It’s currently at Heritage.


So if you found some old strip cards and had them cut up perfectly then you’ll have a bunch of Cobbs and Ruth’s grade psa 10 ?

I posted it here as I feel it’s a pretty popular card and my main question is about buy and cutting up old cards

[GasHouseGang]

This particular card is discussed at length over on the boxing part of the board. See this thread:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=249134

The aspects of "hand cut" cards getting graded is also discussed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's kind of ridiculous IMO that so much value can be created by how skilled someone is cutting the card from the panel, as opposed to how well the card survived, as well as by the arbitrariness of a 10 over a 9.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/boxing/196...ription-071515

[Anish]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's kind of ridiculous IMO that so much value can be created by how skilled someone is cutting the card from the panel, as opposed to how well the card survived, as well as by the arbitrariness of a 10 over a 9.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/boxing/196...ription-071515

To be fair, how well the sheet survived is still critical. You see Ali sheets with creases and paper loss frequently, but not mint ones.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Anish

To be fair, how well the sheet survived is still critical. You see Ali sheets with creases and paper loss frequently, but not mint ones.

Agreed. But still.

[Rookiemonster]

Thanks Swarmee that’s much more clear and direct. I still don’t like it but hey someone will surely pay up for it.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by peter_spaeth

it's kind of ridiculous imo that so much value can be created by how skilled someone is cutting the card from the panel, as opposed to how well the card survived, as well as by the arbitrariness of a 10 over a 9.

https://sports.ha.com/itm/boxing/196...ription-071515

100% +1

[Leon]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

100% +1

I don't think it's as crazy to grade strip cards (with the hand cut caveat) as it is for collectors to pay high prices for them, when they are potentially cut the same day they are graded. Graders can't tell when they were cut. To each their own.
Here is a rant on some strips. When will the TPG's fall in line with reality on W575-1s, W503s and probably some others? They weren't Generally distributed as strips of cards, but are called hand cut when they aren't even close to hand cut. These all have "hand cut" on their SGC flips and not one of them was? In fairness to them they said they would possibly reconsider but why in the world put hand cut there in the first place? They even told me on the phone they knew they weren't hand cut.
What a peeve!!

W575-1s from a Chicago Newspaper and the pack they came in.

[Snapolit1]

Never really understood the argument . . . .

Cut by a machine as intended: good

Cut by a kid 100 years ago as intended: probably ok

Cut by a guy today with a pair scissors as intended: evil, terrible, awful

I know this is a classic debate, rehashed many, many, many times. Too many threads to mention. And I still don't get it. Cards doctored to death, but cutting a strip card along a dotted line is somehow disqualifying.
of a grade to many eyes.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

This particular card is discussed at length over on the boxing part of the board. See this thread:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=249134

The aspects of "hand cut" cards getting graded is also discussed.

Thank you ! I don’t see anything about the graded 10 example in that thread. Nice sheet peter if I were you I would be looking for a good paper cutter. I also thought it was not allowed By PSA. So now we can say if you have any sheet of cards you can cut them and get them graded into a PSA 10 holder. I know of a few cards that the sheet is way cheaper then the psa 10 example. I guess this could very well be the death of the cut card. Who would want a card cut in the 20s or 60s that won’t grade? I much rather have a more clean and modern cut card right?

[swarmee]

Any cards that were pack-inserted will not be graded by PSA as hand cut, if they can detect the difference. Cards that were on boxes or strips can get number grades as long as you have the entire card, and usually that means all the appropriate borders are visible. To get the highest grades, they should be trimmed evenly as close around the border as possible, and centered.

Don't care? Don't get your cards graded. It's perfectly fine to collect raw. I sent in some 1962 Posts this past submissions and got between PSA 4-6s. That was fine with me. They weren't perfect to begin with, and I'm not collecting the set. I would send any cards in for grading that I wouldn't expect to get a number grade, unless the cards were needed for some other reason.

For my Mantle Master Set Registry, I sent in a couple of trimmed cards, but have no problem getting a PSA AUTH ALTERED designation on them, because they'll count as PSA 1 POORs in the set registry. More important to have the card as a placeholder, than pay 5x as much for one with a solid border. I can always upgrade later.

https://www.psacard.com/resources/gr...andards/#cards
Here's the verbiage you're looking for:

The Grading of Hand-Cut Cards
PSA will grade virtually any card that has been hand-cut off of a panel, box, etc. (Post Cereal, Hostess, Bazooka, Strip cards, etc.) keeping the following information in mind. This service does not include traditional sheet-cut cards. PSA will not grade cards cut from sheets that can be obtained in a normal fashion. For example, PSA will not grade a 1979 O-Pee-Chee Wayne Gretzky card cut from a sheet because that card was issued in non-sheet form. On the other hand, PSA will grade a 1959 Bazooka or 1961 Post Cereal Mickey Mantle because those cards could only be obtained in one fashion - removed by hand from a box or panel.

In order for PSA to actually assign a grade to any of the cards that possess visible/defined borders on all four sides, evidence of that border must be present or the card must exhibit virtually-full borders based on the design of the specific issue. If the cut exceeds the visible border for the card in question, PSA will encapsulate the card as "Authentic" only. If the card is severely undersized and suffers in overall eye appeal, the graders may deem the card not suitable for authentication or reject the card as minimum-sized altogether.

Keep in mind that, for cards that do not possess visible/defined borders, the cards must still fall within a certain size requirement for that particular issue in order to qualify for an actual grade. In other words, the borders must be virtually full in order for a grade to be rendered. Otherwise, as stated above, a label of "Authentic" will be assigned or, in some cases, the cards may fall short of the size requirement altogether. This is not an exact science. PSA will do its best to provide consistent guidelines for these types of cards.

In addition, PSA will allow cards that have had a coupon or tab removed from the original card to be submitted under this service. For example, if a 1952 Red Man Tobacco card is cut at or outside of the established tab line, the card would be eligible to receive a numerical grade. On the other hand, if the 1952 Red Man Tobacco card is cut inside of the line (the line where the tab meets the interior of the card), then the PSA graders will be precluded from entering a numerical grade. Cards that are cut within the limits established for a particular issue will be encapsulated and designated as "authentic" by PSA. All of the cards eligible for this service will be designated as "Hand-Cut" on the PSA label to distinguish them from the intact, "with tab" or "with coupon" examples.

PSA suggests that, in order to achieve the highest grades, the cuts of the cards should be relatively close to the visible borders without exceeding the limit. Cards that exhibit a clean, accurate and properly shaped cut have the best chance at achieving the highest grades. Eye appeal is very important. When it comes to excess paper or cardboard around the edges of the visible borders, the graders will place significant importance on overall eye appeal. Keep in mind that all cards of this type will be designated as "Hand-Cut" on the PSA label for accuracy. In addition, if the customer chooses, PSA will grade and encapsulate entire panels if those panels will fit in any of our current PSA holders. With the exception of the aforementioned items, normal grading criteria will apply.