Help With SGC --> PSA Crossover for a '48-49 Leaf Jackie Robinson.

[phabphour20]

Hello gentlefolk of the forum. I seek help/advice. I am a PSA collector... just started that way and have always been that way. Yesterday a nice forum member sold me this:





Once I receive it I would like to get it into a PSA holder. I want to limit downside risk but don't want to remove any upside potential if that makes sense. I think it should cross to a 4.5 but would take a PSA 4 if it happened that way. I think it is a nice copy, doubtful that it would get a 5, but you never know if you got the right grader on the right day.

So, how would you go about it? Here are my options as I see them:

1.) Submit to PSA with minimum 4.5 grade on crossover. If it fails, submit it again with 4 minimum. Protects me to the downside but is costly if I have to submit twice and probably eliminates even the very small chance at a 5.

2.) Crack and submit raw eliminating the "anchoring bias" of the existing grade, but risking a trimmed or minsize or altered denial. (I have had cards that I pulled fresh from packs come back evidtrim)

3.) Submit first time with a min grade of 4. I feel like this is most cost effective, but if you give PSA this option to whack a half-grade off, they will.

Thoughts? Thanks...

-Brian

[bnorth]

I would crack and submit raw. That's what I done the one time I crossed a card over.

[MattyC]

Sadly, politics btw rival companies will prohibit a card getting a fair shake. Hence the crack/resub route is best shot at highest grade.

Great card; it looks stunning against the black holder. Funny, I am actually slowly crossing all my PSA cards over to SGC.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I would crack and submit raw. That's what I done the one time I crossed a card over.

I agree. It could come back anywhere from 3 to 6. If it comes in under 4.5, resubmit.

[phabphour20]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I would crack and submit raw. That's what I done the one time I crossed a card over.

I attempted to cross 10 SGC cards to PSA once to test the process. 4 crossed and 6 didn't. Those were all 88s and 96s.

Originally Posted by MattyC

Sadly, politics btw rival companies will prohibit a card getting a fair shake. Hence the crack/resub route is best shot at highest grade.

Great card; it looks stunning against the black holder. Funny, I am actually slowly crossing all my PSA cards over to SGC.

It definitely does look best against the black border. I will have to agree with you there. What drives your SGC preference? The pre-war stuff?

Thanks for the advice. I guess I'll likely crack it out and send it raw. Man that makes me nervous...

Originally Posted by brewing

I agree. It could come back anywhere from 3 to 6. If it comes in under 4.5, resubmit.

I'd be ecstatic with a 5 and still very pleased with a 4.5.

Also, I was an English major in college so I need to point out the spelling error in your signature... endeavor. Or endeavour if you prefer the Queen's English. But great frackin' set by the way!

[pclpads]

If it was mine, I'd go w/ #3 for the same reasons you gave. That way if it doesn't pass muster, you still have it in a 4.5 slab. I don't think the .5 matters a whole lot on a 4.5 to a 4. Higher grades yes. Definitely would not do #2. Unless you are a gambler, want to chance a lock 4.5 that likely comes back EOT. Then, you've lost the works! Happened to me on an Arron RC in PSA 5. Thot it was badly undergraded. Cracked and subbed raw. EOT! Also pass on #1 . . . unless you are rich and want to make Joe Orlando richer.

[MattyC]

Hi Brian,

My evolving preference for SGC has to do with two basic factors:

1. Aesthetics. The cards just look best, in my opinion, in these holders. The PSA holders by comparison look cheap to my eye and simply do not frame the cards in as majestic a manner.

Anecdotally, I recently visited my cousin during the holiday, who has always collected and is now getting into graded cards for the protection of the card, as opposed to all his old screw downs, LOL. His mind was utterly impartial when he looked at my cards, and said, "Why do you have some in these cheap looking clear plastic ones and others in these awesome black ones?"

That pure knee-jerk assessment pretty much sums it up.

I collect more Post War cards, but also a healthy amount of Pre War favorites. As to the tangential issue of potential resale and value, which inevitably arises in a discussion of preferred holder, I am a believer in the primacy of the card— and thus have faith that a great card like your Jackie Robinson will get its price no matter what the holder, provided enough collectors get eyeballs on it over time. Also, if a collector is intending to hold a card for ten years, twenty years, and way beyond, it is impossible to predict what company's holder will be the most trusted in that timeframe. So I say go with what pleases you in terms of enjoying and displaying your collection, and address factors of bumps, numerical grade, and resale when that time comes.

2. I believe that SGC grades consistently, and lets the card get its deserving grade, without considering how much money it is worth to the collector, what it will do for their brand in terms of diluting pop reports, and whether or not assigning a stingy grade will incite a card's owner to engage in repeated reviews or submissions, paying a new fee each time in hopes that the subjective number put on the sticker will finally reflect the truth of the card.

Anyways, hope sharing that take on the subject is beneficial.

Best,

Matt

[clamendo]

I have two close friends that are experts, they were grading cards from Day 1. The best policy is to crack it out and resubmit, as they have told me numerous times.


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[phabphour20]

Originally Posted by gnpaden

1st off this Jackie is absolutely beautiful! I prefer SGC with the black border when submitting cards for grading, but do purchase PSA as well. Personally, I would keep it in the SGC case, but if you are a PSA guy then crack and resubmit.

Matty:your cards are gorgeous!

Thanks for the kind words on the Jackie. I'm quite pleased.

Originally Posted by clamendo

I have two close friends that are experts, they were grading cards from Day 1. The best policy is to crack it out and resubmit, as they have told me numerous times.


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I seem to have reached a consensus that cracking it out is the way to go. It's risky but I guess I gotta do it. I'll let you all know how it goes.

-Brian