Pat Gillick Elected

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I watched the press conference this morning on MLB channel and Pat Gillick was the only electee for the Hall of Fame with Marvin Miller falling one vote short.

Thus far, I have not been able to uncover any Gillick cards that exist, does anyone know of anything?

[Peter_Spaeth]

GM for three WS winning teams gets you into the HOF?

[Jacklitsch]

At least he got in before he died.

[Peter_Spaeth]

As between the two it seems to me Marvin Miller is much more deserving.

[M's_Fan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

GM for three WS winning teams gets you into the HOF?

and GM for the 2001 Mariners, that won more games than any other team except the 1906 Cubs. The body of his work is impressive, but I admit I'm not sure how to compare him to others. Comparing GM's is inherently problematic, come to think of it. Does anyone care about the non-players anyway?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by M's_Fan

and GM for the 2001 Mariners, that won more games than any other team except the 1906 Cubs. The body of his work is impressive, but I admit I'm not sure how to compare him to others. Comparing GM's is inherently problematic, come to think of it. Does anyone care about the non-players anyway?

If someone made an exceptional contribution to the fabric of the game, like a Marvin Miller, I can see it and have no issue with it. But it's a slippery slope at the general manager level, I agree.

[triwak]

Glad you posted this Phil, as I was gonna contact you about ANY potential Gillick cards. Damn, the only guy on the ballot that there is probably nothing available of! Being a HOF collector (and trying to obtain even non-players) can be a beeeyotch sometimes! But it keeps life interesting... Lemme know if you find anything, and I'll do the same.

[rhettyeakley]

Good for Gillick, but IMO there are too many non-players/managers that are being enshrined into the HOF. Maybe I'm in the minority but I really don't want Marvin Miller to get into the Baseball HOF--he was a labor leader. Sure, he had an impact on the game (positive or negaive--depending on which camp you are in) but he didn't play, have any direct impact on any game outcomes and shouldn't get in. I know there are other people you could say the same thing about (Kuhn, Bulkeley, umpires, etc., etc.) but just because mistakes have been made in the past doesn't mean we should keep making them.

Also, I'm not a big fan of GM's getting inducted because now you gotta go back in history and induct the 8-10 GM's that were at least as successful as Gillick--not a fan of that ever happening.

Before you know it there will be a call for Bill James to be inducted because of his statistical analysis and how it has impacted the game!

-Rhett

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Just discovered a card of Gillick which was produced by the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame, not sure yet of the date of issue but he was selected in 1997.