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Old 07-09-2022, 07:05 AM
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Default What set is the most under appreciated and why?

What do you like that doesn’t get the hobby love it deserves. Why does it deserve more appreciation?
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Old 07-09-2022, 07:39 AM
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In my uneducated opinion I believe the 1916 M101-4/5 set does not get the proper respect. Outside the hype of the Ruth Rookie Card and the Joe Jackson Card there is a big drop off to the rest.

This set is fantastic because

1. It is upward of 40 HOFer's in the Set including
Grover Alexander, Home Run Baker, Dave Bancroft, Chief Bender, Roger Bresnahan, Mordecai Brown, Max Carey, Frank Chance, Eddie Collins, Charles Comiskey, Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford, Johnny Evers, Red Faber, Clark Griffith, Harry Hooper, Miller Huggins, Hughie Jennings, Walter Johnson, Nap Lajoie, Connie Mack, Rabbit Maranville, Rube Marquard, John McGraw, Eppa Rixey, Wilbert Robinson, Ed Roush, Ray Schalk, George Sisler, Casey Stengel, Joe Tinker, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Ed Walsh, and Zach Wheat.
2. Great Photo's used for the set (many earlier sets were either not photo's or just head shots etc)
3. Had many of the Famed Black Sox's in the set Eddie Cicotte, Chick Gandil, Buck Weaver, and Happy Felsch
4. So many different Ad Backs so there are so many versions/variations to collect. (including he Sporting News, Altoona Tribune, Gimbel’s Department Stores, Standard Biscuit, Weil Baking Company, Greene Joyce, Holmes to Homes, Famous and Barr, Herpolsheimer Co, Successful Farming) just to name a few
5. Approx 200 Different players,

So many ways to collect and so many great players
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Old 07-09-2022, 08:03 AM
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1968 Topps

I've heard (or read) many collectors' opinions regarding the "burlap" borders and why they think they're hideously ugly. More than a few people have also shared their negative opinions regarding the photos used by Topps that year.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, sure. However, the player selection is absolutely tremendous. From the immortal Mickey Mantle to the ageless Nolan Ryan, from the incomparable Hank Aaron to the amazing Willie Mays; you'll find some of the greatest players ever to step onto a Major League Baseball field.

Roberto Clemente, Tom Seaver, Johnny Bench...the list goes on and on.

Don't like the burlap borders? Think the photos fall flat? Cool, pass on 1968 Topps. It'll make it easier (read, cheaper) for me to pick them up.
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I know it isnt pre-war and the definition of cards might be a bit stretched with this one but I have always been partial to the Dormand postcard set. The simple beauty of the photos taken at legendary Yankee Stadium just tells me what being a baseball fan in NYC in the 50's was all about.

To me, this set just drips with nostalgia and is just plain beautiful too.
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Diamond Stars 1934-36.

Beautiful cards. Seem to get almost zero love.
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Canadian issue zero love
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m116 sporting life...big set featuring most of the stars of the era...beautiful portraits...lots of variations and rarities.
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1952 Bowman-amazing art and packed with HOFers. But 1952 Topps size and being 1st issue seems to eclipse Bowman.
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I don't really want to say the ones I'm working on , but of the sets I don't actively collect, 1916 and 1917 black n whites are my favorite. Like Jeff said, great looking cards, all the stars and lot of fun ad backs.

Also

t207s
Diamond Stars
Exhibits (getting more love lately but you never see any posts from someone trying to complete say 1928 Exhibits)

Kind of seems like sets that are relatively easy to find and have just one back don't get talked about a lot, but maybe there just isn't much to say about 1934 Goudey or Diamond Stars or e93s?
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1909 Obak

Better photos than T206 and some extremely rare cards that never come up for sale.
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Default underappreciated set

I'll throw a curve out there- the R300 George C Miller set. I don't collect it,
just admire the artwork. Trent King
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I agree that M101-4/5 are amazing sets and very underrated. That would probably be my #1 choice.

But, in an effort to be original, I will go with the T3 Turkey Red set. In my opinion, it is hands down the prettiest set every produced.

Another underrated set is 1953 Bowman Color.
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I don't really want to say the ones I'm working on , but of the sets I don't actively collect, 1916 and 1917 black n whites are my favorite. Like Jeff said, great looking cards, all the stars and lot of fun ad backs.
Luke, I'm totally with you on these sets, to which I would add the 1921-22 black n whites, also with many different ad backs.
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Uncle Jack’s Candy
C46 Imperial Tobacco

Any / all of these sets get very little publicity. They have their limited following but don’t get much love on a wider scale.
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S74 silks get virtually no love or exposure, despite sharing some history and images with the T205, T202, and Piedmont art stamps. They have different advertising backs/brands they are issued with, as well as multiple colors of ink used, making a master set or color runs difficult, but fun. There are some very extreme rarities, especially with certain of the advertising backs, and a few known proofs that are never seen. In regards to the S74-1 white silks, they originally came with an attached advertising back, that is virtually unique in regard to baseball cards and collectibles, really nothing else like it. And the S74-2 colored version silks come in so many different material colors/shades that is can make collecting as many as you can truly amazing. You don't have to worry about S74 silks being faked, never heard of a known instance of a counterfeit one ever being encountered. They are also purposely intended to have been utilized in making pillows, slip covers, and other items, so you can actually find them as part of folk art or actual items from the past. And maybe best of all, you don't have to listen to all the issues and complaints in regard to a certain TPG as they don't even grade them, and because those TPGs that do grade them do such a terrible job, virtually no serious S74 silk collectors are really that interested or concerned with having them graded. So the issues and arguments of graded versus non-graded pricing when it comes to S74 silks is pretty much mute.
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Old 07-09-2022, 07:25 PM
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Has not really thought of the S74 silks much. Had some years back but never really kept my interest so I sold them. You are right about the selection of players, the variety of ad backs and even the materials in some cases.

I still vote for the 1916 m101 4/5 but the S74 is not a bad choice.

The T3’s that Ryan mentioned would be a close 2nd for me. The details on those images are sharp and the player choices are really good to. I just give the edge to the m101 4/5’s for the reasons I mentioned but also it seems like a bridge year/set from the early players like Wagner to the newer players like Ruth
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1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
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Has not really thought of the S74 silks much. Had some years back but never really kept my interest so I sold them. You are right about the selection of players, the variety of ad backs and even the materials in some cases.

I still vote for the 1916 m101 4/5 but the S74 is not a bad choice.

The T3’s that Ryan mentioned would be a close 2nd for me. The details on those images are sharp and the player choices are really good to. I just give the edge to the m101 4/5’s for the reasons I mentioned but also it seems like a bridge year/set from the early players like Wagner to the newer players like Ruth
I like the M101-4s and 5s as well. Great images and player selection, and the variety of backs is fantastic.

There are quite a few sets that are underappreciated and that aren't talked about much, even on this forum. Actually, in many cases it is kind of a nice thing that some sets are not that frequently talked about and followed. Gives many of us collectors some things to still go out and collect that are not getting hit with so much demand (and cost), and go against the usual collecting interests of the masses. I enjoy collecting things that others do not necessarily go for, like the T206 and Goudey sets. Seems like virtually everyone collects those sets, and always talks about them.

Many great, seemingly undervalued and underappreciated sets already listed. Here's a few more I don't think have been mentioned yet.


1889 N526 Diamond S/Number 7 Cigars
1906 WG3 Fan Craze
1909 E97 C.A. Briggs Co.
1909-13 M101-2 Sporting News Supplements
1909 W555
1910 E103 Williams Caramel Company
1913 WG5 National Game Cards
1913 WG6 Tom Barker Game Cards
1915 Postaco Stamps
1915 PM1 Ornate Pins
1916 BF2 Ferguson Bakery Felt Pennants
1921-30 Major League Die-Cuts
1924 WG7 Walter Mails Game Cards
1927 Rinkydink Stamps
1927 W560
1927 F50 - Yuengling's, Harrington's, Sweetman's, Etc.
1933 E285 Rittenhouse Candy
1933 R337 Eclipse Import
1934-46 Various Diamond Matchbook Sets
1935 Schutter-Johnson
1936 S&S Game Cards
1937 R342 Goudey Thum Movies
1938 Goudey Big League Baseball Movies
1938 Our National Game Pins


There are many other underappreciated and typically unmentioned great sets out there.

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1964 Topps always seems to be a forgotten set.
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Strong agree on M116 Sporting Life, 1933 Tattoo Orbit, 1906 Fan Craze, and 1913 National Game/Tom Barker Game.

1949 Eureka Sportstamps are a bit underappreciated considering it's rather large set size and it's got a lot of post-war talent that didn't see a card release until 1950+.
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For us post-war folks, the 1974 Topps set is stellar!!!! In fact, I started a thread about it a hundred years ago...

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In terms of underrated, nothing approaches T202.

In REA's last auction, I won this lot for $270 inc. BP:

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Eddie Collins on an end panel, "Collins easily Safe" period action photograph in the center, and on the back, not one but 2 interesting biography summaries of Collins and his quick rise to fame. Also a side panel and bio of teammate Danny Murphy. Oh yes, graded SGC 5.

What other contemporary Collins card in the SGC 3 to 5 range can be had for anywhere near that price? Let alone, a card where you get, essentially, 2 Eddies: A T205- like color image, plus a black and white action shot.

If you sit down with a stack of T202s and read the backs, you can learn quite a bit about the players, and the deadball era in general. If you do the same with T206, you'll learn nothing except the names of tobacco products from that era.

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I agree about the T202s. Its like getting two T205s and an amazing action photo squeezed in between. Actually, its not “like” that, its basically exactly that. And yeah, the back write ups are another piece of added value to them.
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[QUOTE=BioCRN;2241058]Strong agree on M116 Sporting Life, 1933 Tattoo Orbit, 1906 Fan Craze, and 1913 National Game/Tom Barker Game.

Agree on Tom Barker and every thread needs a picture. I would add the Sporting Life M110 Cabinets to the list. They are 50 times more scarce than T3 Cabinets yet the T3s still fetch more money it seems.
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Strong agree on M116 Sporting Life, 1933 Tattoo Orbit, 1906 Fan Craze, and 1913 National Game/Tom Barker Game.

Agree on Tom Barker and every thread needs a picture. I would add the Sporting Life M110 Cabinets to the list. They are 50 times more scarce than T3 Cabinets yet the T3s still fetch more money it seems.
Well said and very nice looking collection of cards there
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I am surprsed that more collectors are not caught up in the wonderful complexity of E121's. At the same time, I completely agree about the M101-4/5 set being underappreciated. Prices for mid-grade star cards haven't moved much for decades. And I have never understood why more collectors are not attracted to M116. Stunningly beautiful cards. Also agree about Diamond Stars.Wonderful design. Don't know how we can collect Goudeys without wanting to complement it with all the great names from the 30's that appear in the later set. Almost everything is underrated.
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1927 American Caramel (E126)

The last and most distinctive of the black and white American/National Caramel sets of the 1920s. Much better quality control than E220 or E122. Also scarcer than the others, enough that there's some excitement in finding them but not so scarce that it can't be completed, and it includes what I think is Ruth's single best-looking card, plus Walter Johnson, so you've got the two best players in the history of the game. And Cobb's no slouch himself.
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An artistically beautiful set with both Ruth and Gehrig represented in some of their best poses. Add in the fact that it is in English and French makes it a special set for me. I am still working on the 96 card set with 29 Hall of Famers (over 30%).... T3 and M-101-4/5 are already appreciated.
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