T206 Doyle N.Y.

[usernamealreadytaken]

Is the N.Y. version rare in reality? I know it is priced as such but is it really substantially scarcer than other subjects? Recall a rumor that someone hoarded these to try altering into Nat'l versions. Any insight?

[bbcard1]

For years, a major hobby dealer advertised in SCD buying all Doyle T206s. As there are several poses of Larry as well as Slow Joe, and one could argue Larry is a borderline HOFer, no one really thought all that much about it... I mean it was just a classified. I don't recall any reports of an attempt to alter it...and I am not sure he ever came across another Slow Joe NY Nat'l (he played for the AL club) or if he did it was just a couple out of hundreds of cards issued. It is probably a legit variation, but to be honest, doesn't seem all that interesting to me in the context of the great set.

Of course the assumption is that the company got Joe and Larry mixed up.

here's a link to some discussion.
http://www.t206museum.com/page/discussion_3.html

[tedzan]

To date, only 8 confirmed error cards of Joe Doyle (N. Y. Nat'l) exist. And, this card is only found with a PIEDMONT 350
back.
Beware, there are several fakes out there, of which some are Graded.







The regular T206 Joe Doyle card is quite difficult to find. It is mainly found with PIEDMONT 350 & SWEET CAPORAL 350
backs. In lesser quantities, this card is found with OLD MILL, POLAR BEAR, and TOLSTOI backs. And, is seldom found
with EPDG and SOVEREIGN 350 backs.


TED Z

[usernamealreadytaken]

To clarify, I am seeking the numbers on the "N.Y." version NOT the impossible "Nat'l." I just want to see how the Board feels on its rarity. Is it manufactured or are there really fewer out there than others? (If so, why?) Thanks!

[bbsports]

The story I heard years ago was that a counterfeiting ring in Florida was caught printing the words "Natl" on the front of Joe Doyle's cards. The cards were later taken away and destroyed. The pop reports on this card overall are lower than most common T206 cards, especially in grades 5 & higher.

[bbcard1]

if only because there was a concentrated effort to buy up Doyles over years, I could see Joe becoming more scarce. The fact that there were three Larry variations would probably moderate the effect.

[tedzan]

Two factors are responsible for this card being considerably less available than your average T206 common........

(1) In the early 1980's, Larry Fritsch acquired 100's (if not 1000's) of these Doyle's in search for another Joe Doyle
error card. Eventually, some of these got back in circulation, but many of them did not.

(2) In the late 1980's 100's of these cards were acquired by the scam artists trying to alter them by adding "Nat'l"
to their caption. In this process many of them were destroyed. And, others were confiscated.

Therefore, these events have unquestionably made this "common" T206 card very tough to find. Typical sale prices
reflect this, as they range from $200 - $800 for Vg to Ex cards. And, even higher prices for Joe Doyle's with an EPDG
or a SOVEREIGN 350 back.

If you are looking for actual numbers....Scot Reader has estimated that there are approx. 3000 cards in circulation
of each common T206 subject. My educated guess is that there are no more than 800 Joe Doyle cards in circulation.


TED Z