Need help identifying premiums 11" X 14" multi-sport....... *Pics added

[fkw]

Hi, I just got an email from someone that lives fairly close to me and he needed help identifying what sounds like large premiums.

Sorry, there are No Photos of them, yet

Here is how he describes them...

"""I have 70 or so of these cards. I assume it was a set of 100 as I do have #1 and #100. They consist of all sports. Lots of baseball and football also boxing, race cars, tennis, olympics, even wrestling and golf and billiards. Here's the kicker.....they are 11" X 14" huge cards black and white on thick cardboard stock. They are machine cut. They are real pictures. Numbers appear on the front all start with SP- then a number 1 to 100. The backs were originally blank but have been stamped as withdrawn from a local school library in 1983. The most recent pix on these cards seems to be early or mid fifties."""

I was thinking "Sport Magazine" ??? because of the "SP" before the numbers?? Does anyone know of something that matches the description?


If I cant get an answer here Im going to drive over and see them in person. He is just trying to ID them, and doesnt want to sell them, yet.

Thanks Frank

edited to add pics

here is front and back pics of an example, Cobb (I'll add more pics at bottom of post later tonight)

[Leon]

Could be what you said Frank. A little late in years for me to know much....let us know what you find out.

[Clutch-Hitter]

http://cgi.ebay.com/c1970-Lg-11x14-A...item20b4b4d823

http://cgi.ebay.com/1970-lg-11x14-Ar...item20b54122d0

http://cgi.ebay.com/c1970-lg-11x14-A...item20b4e8f40f

[fkw]

Thanks for the links, I'll see if they match. Im going to go over and see them within a couple days and take pics etc.



PS. This collector who owns these is not a novice, he has collected for 60 years, been to hundreds of shows including larger National Shows and has never seen cards like these. He was also personal friends with Frank Nagy of Michigan where he is from, and he did not know what they were.

Hes shown them to some dealers in the past with no help, Levi Bleam, Fritsch Family, Steve Verkman, etc.

So im sure they are rather scarce to not be IDed yet.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by fkw

Thanks for the links, I'll see if they match. Im going to go over and see them within a couple days and take pics etc.



PS. This collector who owns these is not a novice, he has collected for 60 years, been to hundreds of shows including larger National Shows and has never seen cards like these. He was also personal friends with Frank Nagy of Michigan where he is from, and he did not know what they were.

Hes shown them to some dealers in the past with no help, Levi Bleam, Fritsch Family, Steve Verkman, etc.

So im sure they are rather scarce to not be IDed yet.

I am biased but I think there is more collective knowledge on this board than anywhere else in the world, for pre-war baseball cards and premiums. No, we won't have all of the answers, but an answer is more likely here than anywhere....

[scgaynor]

Without actually seeing them I am going with some sort of decorative classroom posters. When I was in school we had a bunch of similar posters in one of my classrooms, there was Jackie Robinson and others (even though this was in the early 1980's). That could be why they were at one time in a school library. The SP could be who made them (scholastic something or another). Just a guess........

Scott

[fkw]

More info...

I got a chance to see these in person.

They are on heavy stock and are NOT flimsy at all, if you were to bend one slightly they would crease.
The backs are a textured bluish-gray color and many of them are discolored to a greenish yellow color from age around edges and you can tell they sat still somewhere for a long time in a stack.
No pinholes. Not all of them are stamped on back.

The newest pics I could ID are a Jackie Robinson sliding, and a Satchel Paige (sitting on ground against a fence in Cleveland Uniform), Pete Gray, a 1950 Era T.Williams, and some football/Olympics/Globetrotters that look to be ca1950.

No Babe Ruth, Joe Jackson, Mantle, Mays, etc. I suspect the Ruth was printed but is just one of the 30 missing from the 100 card set.

The earliest pic are a couple Pugilists from the 1880-90s, a 1895 Football team pic, a billiards player, and a very early Lajoie pic, then would be 2 1905 Era NY Giants pics, Mathewson, and Mathewson/McGraw/McGinnity.

4-5 woman golfers, 4-5 men golfers, a couple jockeys/horses, 3-4 race cars, 2 basketball (James Naismith and a early Globetrotters), 6-7 football, most were baseball... including 1919 Black Sox, Landis, etc.

I ran out of memory on my camera after 1/2 the stack so didnt get pics of the later cards, yet. The higher the numbers the more modern the pics. span was 1880s to ca.1950

a few examples of the non-baseball ones below
(if you can ID the football player, golfer, portrait, etc. that would help.)


Dempsey vs. Carpentier,Jersey City, July 2nd,1921
(thanks Clayton )


Bobby Jones


Thorpe


??


4 horsemen