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[EvilKing00]

good read interesting info

[barrysloate]

Andrew- I don't see the Wilhelm "suffered" variation on your list.

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[ctownboy]

I don't know if this matters or is relevant or not but my T205 Doc White has quotes around his name on the back. It is a Piedmont back.

David

[tedzan]

Hey good buddy

Don't forget Phelan (the 12th Minor Leaguer).

Regarding Eddie Collins (mouth closed) vs (mouth open)....it appears to me that there is a 2 to 1, respectively ratio of availability.

Do you concur ?

This is great stuff.....thanks for posting.

TED Z

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[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

I wanted to do an actual break down of the set to separate the SP's and variations based on numbers and not opinions.

I have found that all cards in the set can be found with 5 backs or more except the following cards. These cards can only be found with 3 backs or less with one of the backs being very scare in the printing of them. I have included the Minor Leaguers into this area due to print run.


The first group are Minor League players. These cards are found with only Hassan Fact. 649 and Polar Bear Fact. 6 backs. The PB backs are the scarcer of the two and rarely commands much higher than normal prices. This may be caused by the fact the cards are already SP and obtaining them in any condition above VG is difficult on a normal basis. These cards are available regularly in Auth-VG for decent prices.

1. Adkins
2. Batch
3. Cady
4. J. Collins
5. Dunn
6. Frick
7. Hanford
8. Lee
9. McAllister
10. Merrit
11. Nee
12. Phelan

The second group are cards found with only 3 backs and are the remaining true SP's in the set. Theses cards can only be found with Hassan Fact. 30, Piedmont Fact. 25, and Cycle Fact. 25 backs(unless stated). The Cycle backs are rarely seen on these cards and should command much higher than normal prices for these cards.

1. Bresnahan Mouth Open
2. Dahlen
3. Donahue
4. Graham Cubs
5. Grant
6. Harmon Left Ear
7. Joss
8. Karger
9. Kleinow
10. Raymond
11. Shean Cubs (Hassan and PB)
12. Suggs
13. Turner
14. Wagner
15. Wilhelm

The Variations in the set are listed as print variations and different fronts. There seems to be controversy as to what defines a variation. As seen in the T206 set, all it takes is a simple quotation mark, period, letter, logo, ect., ect., to create a variation and possibly extreme pricing. The new master list created by Ron Korn@cki and many board members has shed light to many about some lesser know variations and seems to have created a new found interest to some collectors. This is great news considering the T205 set, hailed by some as the most beautiful set ever created, has always been in the shadows of the Monster. I have listed the variations according to scarcity under their names. I can say that there are several cards in the T205 set that are slotted incorrectly according to my research compared to guides, so I have done the best I can in listing them correctly and included back counts at the end. Please remember as more cards are confirmed for Miller the numbers will change.

Hoblitzell:
No Stats (1)
No Cin name correct (2)
No Cin name incorrect (1)
Cin after 1908 (9)

Crandall:
T not crossed (2)
T crossed (9)

Latham:
Period before A (HLC backed only, also faint upside down W present on some) (1)
W.A. Latham (1)
A.Latham (11)

Leifield:
AP on front (4)
A on front (5)

Wallace:
2 Lines 1910 (3)
1 Line 1910 (4)


Doc White:
No/Partial Quotes (1) Both seem to be of equal amounts so far so neither is scarcer.
Quotes (4)

Mathewson:
1 Loss (1)
11 Loss (8)

Miller:
B (2)
D over B (2)
D (4)

Moran:
Stray line (2)
No Line (11)

Doughtery:
White Sox (4)
Red Sox (4)

Collins:
Yellow Elephant (1)
White Elephant (5)

Chase:
No Border on Shirt (5)
Border on Shirt (8)

Grey:
Stats (2)
No Stats (5)

Wilhelm:
Suffered (2)
Suffe ed (1)


The cards like Chase Left Ear, Harmon Left Ear, Barger Partial B, Graham Cubs, Graham Black Sig, Graham Blue Sig, Shean Cubs, Ford White cap and Black cap(separate runs due to the black cap being available for Hindu, White cap available for a Drum back), Wiltse Right Ear, Bresnahan Open Mouth are cards of their own. Those cards are not Variations in the set but another card printed uniquely and should be listed as such. Where cards found above are actual errors created during the printing process, and were possibly corrected.

All the info posted is based on my information I have gathered over the yrs. If I don't have the scan or marked down on my sheet then I would need to see proof of the cards existence to prove otherwise. There are several cards listed above that have discrepancies when compared to the Master List. I do not think the cards in question on the master list are correct and may have been typos. Pop reports, pics, auctions, and my list compile the data I have for the last 5-6 yrs. I would like to see any back scans you may have to help confirm new cards(Such as Harmon Left Ear PB). I look forward to discussing this further and welcome any questions.

You can add Pathetically Sad Authenticators to your PSA definitions
They plain SUCK!
FU JOE O

[Runscott]

Thanks for the responses regarding the Wallace variations. I have both, so it's not a personal angst issue

[teetwoohsix]

Wow, I'm glad I read this thread. I don't collect these cards but I've always liked T205's, mostly the Minor league cards.

Thank you all for sharing this information, I learned alot reading this thread. This is one of the many great things I like about Net54, collectors willing to share their research- great job guys !!

Sincerely, Clayton