PM1 Ornate Frame Pinbacks

[bcbgcbrcb]

I was just previewing the upcoming, incredible Legendary Auction and, of course, the first items listed are the above. Has there ever been anything definitive showing the 1915 date of issue such as a newspaper ad, etc.? I find it quite odd that the Ruth pictures him in a batting pose when all other pitchers in that set are shown in pitching poses. Through the end of the 1915 season, Ruth had played in 47 games with 37 of those as a pitcher. I am assuming the remianing ten were probably pinch hitting appearances.

Has anyone researched this further already? This 1915 date is really key as it would pre-date Ruth's Sporting News RC's and make this the earliest catalogued Ruth item picturing him individually in a MLB uniform.

[ctownboy]

My question about this pinback wasn't concerning him in a batting stance but WHY was he in the set to begin with?

If this set came out in 1915, then Ruth had only appeared in a total of 4 Games in 1914. So, unless this set came out after the 1915 season ended, then the people putting this set together, in my opinion, wouldn't have had much reason to include Ruth.

Also, I don't see his name underneath the photo. According to the Old Cardboard website, only two PM1's are known to NOT have a name under the photo; Chief Bender and Johnny Kling. Ruth is listed but nothing is said about his NOT having his name under the photo.

David

[ullmandds]

I was thinking similar thought...while the image resembles ruth how do we know for sure it is him?

[glchen]

I think it's Ruth, but I was also wondering if the date was correct. It looks like the same image in the pin as this iconic Ruth photo. Does anyone know the dating for the photo?

[Bicem]

Had no idea there was a Ruth in that set.

I'm sure more date research could be done by looking at uniform styles, would not surprise me at all if 1915 is incorrect.

[ullmandds]

SO comparing to the photo to the pin...what should Ruth's jersey say...Boston?

[glchen]

Originally Posted by glchen

I think it's Ruth, but I was also wondering if the date was correct. It looks like the same image in the pin as this iconic Ruth photo. Does anyone know the dating for the photo?

I found the Conlon photo from an old Legendary auction, and according to the auction, the photo is from c.1918. Link

[autograf]

My understanding is that pin was only found in the last 2-3-4 years and was privately sold before it could go to auction. About 6-8 of those in that auction were mine sold to him via an intermediary. I don't see how something like that could be faked or created but nothing's impossible anymore I guess. A very neat pinback. To my knowledge, one of a kind.