History being destroyed

[yanks12025]

This was posted over on GUU so I'm sure some have seen it. But cant believe these card companies are destroying these bats for these stupid cards. D-backs pitcher Brad Ziegler posted a pic on his twitter about his pull of a Hack Wilson knob card. I actually tweeted him saying "He should buy the whole bat and not support these companies in destroying sports memorabilia".

He actually wrote back saying " I'll disagree with ur opinion - I like lower-end collectors being able to own a piece of history they couldn't afford otherwise"

https://twitter.com/BradZiegler/stat...057729/photo/1

[grainsley]

Just my opinion.....I couldn't agree with you more. Several years ago I was in a card shop in Vancouver (knew the owner) and he proudly handed me a "pull" he had just made.....a Ruth card with a cut-up uniform patch. I actually felt nauseous about it, and couldn't even touch it. He was in it for the money, (like the card companies) and my thoughts went to the history and what has been lost.

[CW]

I wish card companies just chose the route of offering redemption cards so collectors could simply send those in and get an entire bat, not just the knob.

With that method, the card companies can still have inserts to create demand, collectors can get complete game used pieces of equipment, and nothing gets destroyed in the process.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by CW

I wish card companies just chose the route of offering redemption cards so collectors could simply send those in and get an entire bat, not just the knob.

With that method, the card companies can still have inserts to create demand, collectors can get complete game used pieces of equipment, and nothing gets destroyed in the process.

They make more money by putting in those little pieces of wood and cloth. And considering the FBI busted guys who were supplying the card companies with fake jerseys, who knows if you are really getting a legit square of a real jersey or some piece of crap that some swindler sold.
All the companies are concerned with is making a buck, history and pleas from collectors mean nothing to them. They look at collectors as sheep, fleece them and shake every last dime from their pockets.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

... considering the FBI busted guys who were supplying the card companies with fake jerseys, who knows if you are really getting a legit square of a real jersey or some piece of crap that some swindler sold.

This may be one time that could swap the word "swindler" with hero. I know it is just a side effect of greed, but if these "swindlers" didn't sell fakes, then the card companies would have found the real things and hacked those up instead.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

...who knows if you are really getting a legit square of a real jersey or some piece of crap that some swindler sold.

Exactly. For the most part it's swindlers selling to people (card companies & end buyers) who have no respect for history....let them feed off of one another and leave the real stuff for those who appreciate it.

[jgmp123]

How can this not make you sick.... Same bat or two different bats destroyed???

[yanks12025]

Does anyone know if the bat used for the knob card has sold in auction?

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

How can this not make you sick.... Same bat or two different bats destroyed???

These are licensed under the MLB banner. I suppose MLB doesn't care about "destroying history" or they don't consider it as such.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

How can this not make you sick.... Same bat or two different bats destroyed???

This is like sneaking into the Smithsonian in the middle of the night and cutting up a famed artifact and foisting it on the public.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

This was posted over on GUU so I'm sure some have seen it. But cant believe these card companies are destroying these bats for these stupid cards. D-backs pitcher Brad Ziegler posted a pic on his twitter about his pull of a Hack Wilson knob card. I actually tweeted him saying "He should buy the whole bat and not support these companies in destroying sports memorabilia".

He actually wrote back saying " I'll disagree with ur opinion - I like lower-end collectors being able to own a piece of history they couldn't afford otherwise"

https://twitter.com/BradZiegler/stat...057729/photo/1

Read the long thread about Ziegler in the autograph forum. He should not be crying about being a lower end collector.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Read the long thread about Ziegler in the autograph forum. He should not be crying about being a lower end collector.

I read it the other day. We exchanged a couple more tweets then what I posted but I don't think he's referring to himself as a lower end collector. He's referring to people who can't afford to fund the price of a whole bat, so with cutting it up now more people can enjoy something they otherwise could never afford.

I still said its destroying history.

[baseballart]

I agree entirely on the destruction of such historical items.. However, I think that it's rare among us (or at least collectors outside of net54) that we had a sense of history in our twenties. Many only gain such a perspective with time and particularly with athletes or other celebrities, when their own star has dimmed.

[yanksfan09]

I agree with everyone that it's destroying history. I hate all these cards. I think it's great for current players, so kids can pull a piece of a Pujols jersey in a card from a pack. With current players, all the material is over abundant and constantly being replenished. New players probably use a full new Jersey about every day of the week. It wouldn't surprise me if they even used multiple jerseys in a single game, just to supply companies with more "game-used" stuff.

But as for the vintage guys, who's material is very limited, it's a complete shame. Certainly, the card companies are most to blame and only care about making a buck. However, there's gotta be blame put on the collectors who buy and support this stuff as well. I yell and scream at my TV for all the crap "reality" shows and what-not, but I guess people must be supporting that crap or they wouldn't be being made. I don't know, maybe it's also more of a lack of choice from TV providers and card producers as well? It would be wonderful if society collectively rejected all the crap music and TV shows and garbage insert cards, but I don't really see it happening.

[GrayGhost]

Maybe someone did mention this earlier, but WHAT PROOF do we even have that it is "a Shoeless Joe" bat piece, Ruth uniform swatch, etc etc. As we have seen on autographs, a "leap of faith" sometimes can get you to land in a bottomless abyss.