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Pencil marks and grading redux
Hey guys,
I wanted to ask your opinion on this card back. It is something I am considering bidding on and having graded. As some of you know, I am working on a SGC 40 or better T206 collection, and this would nicely fill one of my needs. The front is beautiful. Near perfect centering, strong eye appeal, and no markings/creases on the picture itself. There is some corner and edge wear, but absent the pencil marks on the back, I feel strongly that this card would grade very good to very good +. Here's the back: The pencil marking appears to be very light. What are the odds if I use an art eraser/gum eraser that I can remove the pencil marks without negatively impacting the overall grade? I'm just looking for input from those that may have tried this before. Thanks!!
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I would think if you used an eraser to remove pencil marks, PSA would deem the card "altered" and not grade it. I believe SGC is more forgiving on that, but would not grade it highly.
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Re: Pencil marks and grading redux
It depends on whether the pencil mark has indented the card stock. If it hasn't, light marks can usually be erased without trace and can often pass the grading companies.
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There has been some controversy about removing pencil marks. Some have the opinion that it is no more harmful than blowing off dust; others believe it is altering the card.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...nt#post1174331 |
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i agree Ed
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I'm on the fence about that myself, Darryl. I honestly don't know where I fall on erasing light pencil marks. I'm against trimming, or restoring paper loss, etc. But those are pretty substantial alterations. I don't know if taking a gum eraser to a back to remove a very light pencil mark falls in the same category. The mark itself should be taken into consideration. If it's a light mark or two, it shouldn't be the same as somebody who has written words, or scribbled on the back.
I guess it falls in a gray area.
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If you have to press so hard that it leaves an eraser mark then it's altering. But if the mark is light and you have a good eraser it's no different than vacuuming your carpet. The eraser "grabs" the graphite pieces within the paper fibers and takes them away. Creases left by the pencil mark, if any, will still be there.
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What eraser would I want to use? A gum eraser was recommended, but I've been reading that it has a very low grade abrasive, and I do not want paper loss. What about a Prismacolor magic rub art eraser? These are non-abrasive, vinyl erasers for use on delicate surfaces. They absorb graphite.
Has anybody used this? I have a feeling that my beater T206 is going to be put to the test.
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Creme de la creme. I've used them on countless pencil marks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I think SGC does a pretty good job with their grading. I want to have my T206 set graded for insurance purposes, and might want to enter it into the registry.
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Marks of graphite, (primarily a lubricant) Cannot be erased without a trace. Perhaps without a trace to the naked eye, but under magnification and the correct light it would be detectable. It is altered regardless if detectable or not. There are those that say it is ok. I think it is altering the card. There are also those that think soaking in H2O is ok to clean, this is wrong. When a card is soaked the ph of the paper is changed unless other chemicals are added, making it prone to rapid pyrolysis. Upon testing, soaking can be detected also, it is another kind of "altering" that some accept, I do not.
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One more addition- Bill, I have several of those Staedler (sp)? art gum erasers on my desk, always. They work like a charm and are cheap.
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How many times do we see cards in OUR opinion are over or undergraded? As far as resale, most often times graded is the way to go, however when it comes to OUR collection, OUR opinion matter most!
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