1933 Delong Mini??

[pherbener]

I recently won a Delong Lefty Grove that PSA classified as a minisize. I am working on the set and thought it was a neat changeup. I just got it and I can't tell any difference. Thoughts??

[bnorth]

I believe that means it is trimmed not minisized.

MINSIZERQ=minimum size requirement

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I believe that means it is trimmed not minisized.



MINSIZERQ=minimum size requirement

My guess is the OP is joking, but not sure.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

My guess is the OP is joking, but not sure.

I was hoping that too but you never know. Just hope they didn't pay a premium for a minisize one.

That very honest company PWCC had it listed as a mini card it the title. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-DeLong-...p2047675.l2557

[nolemmings]

My experience, albeit limited, is that the grading companies will reject for "minimum size requirement" a card that does not measure to spec, but that if they truly believe it has been trimmed it will either receive a reject as trimmed or "A" designation. The problem I have is that the rejected card looks every bit the size as the graded example posted, maybe even with a slightly larger top border, so I am puzzled it would receive this kind of rejection.

I had this card rejected as not meeting minimum size. I do not believe it is trimmed, nor was it rejected as trimmed.
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[pherbener]

I really don't understand what the deal is with the card. I submit cards to SGC if I submit them. Holding the card over my graded one it does appear slightly larger. If that is PSA designation for a trim then PWCC absolutely misrepresented the card. I will be sending it back if that's the case (but it doesn't look trimmed).

[4815162342]

Never mind.

[Jobu]

Not the most experienced person here with TPGs, but I think they are scared to give a number to any card which is even a little bit short in either direction. If a card is small and has clearly been trimmed they slab it as A and sometimes list trimming. If it doesn't appear to be trimmed then I think you might get this situation, which is pretty much them saying "we are terrified to slab this with a number and trust our judgement that the factory cut this card a little too small but that it has not been altered." This latter situation is total bunk coming from a paid "expert" but might be what this is here.

[TanksAndSpartans]

I'm going to take a different view here and say I wish PSA (I don't have much experience with other TPG) would be more consistent on "minimum size requirement". For mainstream sets, PSA has holders customized to fit cards in that set. When a card is small, usually there is extra room in the holder. Sometimes they use a mylar to hold the card in place. Even if most experts say the card is fine, there is often at least one collector willing to call "trimmed" when they see a card "swimming" in the holder. Makes me a little less enthusiastic about having those cards in my collection - I'd rather see them slabbed as Authentic-minsizereq which apparently they don't do.


Seeing "Mini" in the listing is interesting.

[steve B]

There's a certain bit of allowance they make for sizes outside the "standard size" In the beginning it was a pretty large allowance 1/32 of an inch? I don't recall exactly. But I think that how common very slight trims became has made them all tighten it up.

SGC also rejects for minimum size, but not entirely consistently. For example T206s can be narrow but not short. That's probably to allow for the ABs but gets applied to other backs too. I had one rejected for min size that was as short as another that graded 40 was narrow.

They also reject for odd factory cuts, another I had was unslabbed with the note "miscut top and bottom" Factory but very rough cuts.

And I believe the reason is exactly as DezHood said. Even if the card is fine but factory undersize, many if not most collectors will call it out as trimmed if it's unusually undersize. And while they should be entirely about the technical stuff the company reputation is all about the perception of them by potential customers.

Steve B

[darwinbulldog]

I once pulled a perfect-looking Nolan Ryan card from an old cello pack and sent it to PSA thinking they'd give it a 10. They rejected it for the same "MINSIZERQ" reason.

[TanksAndSpartans]

I have a factory undersized graded example link to a recent eBay auction on the football board that a collector who really knows the set (35 Chicle, same time period as the Delongs, interestingly) thought was fine and I trust his opinion, but I'd be lying if I said the room in the holder doesn't bother me..... Link: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=206979