Gehrig question....

[vthobby]

Could someone please enlighten me on these 2 swatches?

The Ruth is obviously from a Jersey but can one determine from the small sample size........the era of the jersey it came from or home or away?

The Gehrig to me looks like a sweater piece and not a Jersey piece. Any thoughts on that?

Just looking for some expert opinions on where each might have come from. Especially the Gehrig.

Thanks in advance.

Peace, Mike


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[Louieman]

Just my two cents but I think there's a ton of distrust with these kind of relic cards. The way they word things on the back...."this game-used jersey is guaranteed by Panini"...or "the materials are not from any specific game, event, or season"...I feel with that kind of language there's no guarantee what you're actually getting whatsoever. With all the history of scandals from all these companies regarding where they get their materials from...just a lot of uncertainty.

The only relics I'd come close to trusting were the ones around 1999-2001 where it explicitly said..."this jersey was used by _______ in an actual MLB game"...but even those I wouldn't be too certain.

[HRBAKER]

I agree with Louie, these could have literally come from anywhere.

[vthobby]

Louie and Jeff,

Thanks for avoiding my 2 questions.

Fact #1 : On the back of this card it says "The enclosed game-used material is guaranteed by Panini America Inc."

Fact #2 : It also says "licensed by the family of Babe Ruth"

Fact #3 : Also says "licensed by Rip Van Winkle Foundation and www.LouGehrig.com

Fact #4 : Also "Officially licensed by MLB Players Association"

Now I understand that they could be from a spring training game, a pick up game, barnstorming, or a real game but it is hard for me to believe that with only 3 of these cards made that a multi-million dollar worldwide company like Panini is going to dupe both estates, MLB, and the public for a simple insert in one of its 2015 products. That would do well for their bottom line!

I also wonder how both of you would react if you or someone from your family plunked down $3 and got this card in your hands? I'm sure with the offers hovering around the $1000 mark that you would voice your doubts and displeasures so freely.

Please, If someone who has knowledge of Yankee uniforms and early era Yankee sweaters or wool would kindly give me those opinions I nicely asked for, that would be cool. If your opinion is "hey, those look like my son's little league uniforms that my wife cut up last week and sold to Mr. Panini at the back door at 3am" and you have video proof of such a transgression, then I would respect that as well. Video proof is quite frankly pretty neat.

Thanks,

Peace, Mike

[glchen]

Mike, the licensing from your points #2 - 4 only give Panini the rights to use Ruth's and Gehrig's name and images on their cards. It's not relevant to whether those pieces came from game used material or not. The big card manufacturers often depend on middle men who say that these are authentic jerseys / bats, so unless they show an actual picture of the uniform/bat as some of them have done in the past, the relic could have come from anywhere. That Gehrig material does seem different. It could have come from a sweater, sock, or even jock strap for all we know.

[vthobby]

Jock Strap? Man that would be awful!

Although it reminds me of a very bawdy Joe DiMaggio in person experience/story that I will only share after many beers. Maybe at the AC National next summer. Very funny but risqué story from a Polish Community Center (Albany) DiMaggio signing back in the 1980s.

Mike

[Louieman]

Well I'm not trying to avoid your question, I'm simply giving you the information I know. And I really don't think I didn't do it nicely...if it came across that way to you then I apologize, it wasn't my intent. I have no agenda here, rather to just give you what I know about these relic cards in general, because I think it is important and relevant to your questions.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

Fact #1 : On the back of this card it says "The enclosed game-used material is guaranteed by Panini America Inc."

Not to pile on, just curious. On the back of the card does it state that these are game-used BABE RUTH and LOU GEHRIG materials? Otherwise it is a very loose description that could conceivably allow the company to line up random 'game-used' TomDickandHarry materials underneath the respective Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig names. I know this doesn't help you identify the materials included on the card, but it certainly is something that needs to be addressed, even if it causes pain and distress.

Brian

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Not to pile on, just curious. On the back of the card does it state that these are game-used BABE RUTH and LOU GEHRIG materials? Otherwise it is a very loose description that could conceivably allow the company to line up random 'game-used' TomDickandHarry materials underneath the respective Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig names. I know this doesn't help you identify the materials included on the card, but it certainly is something that needs to be addressed, even if it causes pain and distress.

Brian

Brian,
I posted a photo in my first post of the back. It looks like it does not say it specifically so I see your point. No pain from me. This card was listed on Ebay yesterday and taken off today. I took the photos from Ebay. I was just curious as the Gehrig looked very different than most game jerseys so that is where my original question was centered. It was pulled from a local shop 2 days ago and not by me unfortunately! Thanks. Mike