Alert: a tale of two 51B Mantles

[Peter_Spaeth]

Same serial number, but.... well, you judge.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281855919203...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[bn2cardz]

The importance of looking at the bar code. Because one of those bar codes doesn't work.

[jb67]

While I am no expert it appears to be a totally different card than the Huggins-Scott auction. First thing that jumped out at me was the dash between the VG -EX is a different size. Something just not right with this one.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's a fake in my opinion, for the reasons stated and others, but the question is, will ebay step up and do something about it or just pretend to "investigate"?

[Stonepony]

Yowz, 2 different cards and 2 different flips

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Same serial number, but.... well, you judge.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281855919203...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Quite scary and moved from the 1950s section for a bit more exposure.

[Rookiemonster]

Wow I guess there just print mantle rookie like 1989 UD ken Griffey JR .
I'm impressed by the effort here . Do you think this was a inside job ?
It's gotta be right . Anyway this can't be a one of a kind and it can't just be mantle

[CMIZ5290]

My opinion, not the same card at all. The biggest telling sign is the drastic diamond cut on the bottom that the other does not have, also the sharpness of the bottom right corner. Secondly, Ebay won't do s**t, just my thought....

[Sophiedog]

The bottom one has a spot on his hat and a rough cut on the bottom of the card; so 2 different cards but same flip #. So if I'm understanding this right one of the flips is a fake?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Sophiedog

The bottom one has a spot on his hat and a rough cut on the bottom of the card; so 2 different cards but same flip #. So if I'm understanding this right one of the flips is a fake?

The ebay one, I believe. Welcome to the era of laser printing.

[Edward]

stone crab hasn't pulled it yet......must be legit.......or just a case of stone crab plausible deniability......

[nhsportsguy]

Listing has been reported (probably by several people), so we'll see what happens.

[pokerplyr80]

They certainly did a better job with the case and flip than the card in my opinion but it looks like it's good enough to fool most bidders. I don't know if every 51 bowman mantle has it, but I always look for what resembles a blue pen mark in the upper right corner above the bat. I see the real card has it in this case and the fake one doesn't. The same mark is on mine and a few others I checked right now out of curiosity on ebay.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

They certainly did a better job with the case and flip than the card in my opinion but it looks like it's good enough to fool most bidders. I don't know if every 51 bowman mantle has it, but I always look for what resembles a blue pen mark in the upper right corner above the bat. I see the real card has it in this case and the fake one doesn't. The same mark is on mine and a few others I checked right now out of curiosity on ebay.

The fake one has it, just lighter. Look closely.


How to tell the fake? The short dash on the flip helps and for some reason the bar code wasn't copied. Is there an app for bar codes?

[Prof_Plum]

When I used the online barcode reader (at http://online-barcode-reader.inliter...m/default.aspx), both barcodes came back with the correct number (17934999). The HS card's code type was "Interleaved2of5". The Ebay card's code type was "Code128". I have no idea what that barcode type stuff relates to.

From a google search....among other things...Code128 types are for alpha-numeric, all ASCII characters and used world-wide; interleaved2of5 are numeric only encoding digits in pairs

[ezez420]

This looks like the same jerkoff that I posted about a few weeks ago. I recollect the picture he took of the fake card last time was on that same book/ipad case.




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[Stonepony]

What a shame for the buyer. I don't buy into the thoughts of " they got what they deserved for being naive about cards". These are sophisticated scams. I hope I'm not next.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's pretty stupid to buy a 5K card from a guy with essentially no feedback except on a couple of low dollar items, but still, that does not excuse fraud.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's pretty stupid to buy a 5K card from a guy with essentially no feedback except on a couple of low dollar items, but still, that does not excuse fraud.

Agree buying by from a low feedback seller is risky ( as for stupid...a lot of stupid people bought some amazing cards from me when I got back on eBay several years ago), but a card like this may eventually end up being offered by a more seasoned seller....idk....it's scary

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Agree buying by from a low feedback seller is risky ( as for stupid...a lot of stupid people bought some amazing cards from me when I got back on eBay several years ago), but a card like this may eventually end up being offered by a more seasoned seller....idk....it's scary

Guy has sold some $10 commons but now all of the sudden has a 5K Mantle card? People need to apply reason.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

What a shame for the buyer. I don't buy into the thoughts of " they got what they deserved for being naive about cards". These are sophisticated scams. I hope I'm not next.

It's too bad there isn't way to get a message to the winner. 5k is a lot for a fake that certainly fooled quite a few people. I doubt the buyer would even think to send this one into PSA for verification and will most likely have no recourse after the fraud is discovered.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

It's too bad there isn't way to get a message to the winner. 5k is a lot for a fake that certainly fooled quite a few people. I doubt the buyer would even think to send this one into PSA for verification and will most likely have no recourse after the fraud is discovered.

No can do, thanks to ebay making everything invisible. Ebay does not seem interested in preventing fraud.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

No can do, thanks to ebay making everything invisible. Ebay does not seem interested in preventing fraud.

if fake ones go for 4800 (and many people didn't bid cause they knew it was fake) I wonder how much a real psa 4 goes for on ebay....no need to quote other AHs....just wondering at the next PWCC auction etc..

[rjackson44]

These are common scams that have been happening for years nothing new just scams.sucker born every day.thanks Peter

[ezez420]

It happens with Mantle Rc, Jordan Rcs, Cobbs, Wagners, Ruths, Montana & Rice RCs. To name a few.


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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ezez420

It happens with Mantle Rc, Jordan Rcs, Cobbs, Wagners, Ruths, Montana & Rice RCs. To name a few.


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man so now if I want to buy waterfront properties..some of these homes aren't even real? not even the toilets..that sucks..

[ezez420]

Lets see if the seller ever puts on anything again or moves to another name.


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[Leon]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Lets see if the seller ever puts on anything again or moves to another name.


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They (bums) are usually fairly easy to trace. I don't know if the seller knew or not, what he had, but I suspect he was at least alerted.