Trivial Pursuit Revealed

[frankbmd]

The answer to this question will not ruin the question for others. You may post your answer in the thread, remember to answer the question asked only.

What is the middle name of a ballplayer born in 1900, who played with the grandfather of a player who retired less than ten years ago.

After five correct answers are posted, more information will be provided.

If no correct answers are forthcoming, a secondary question will be posted to help those who are stumped.

[BBB]

Potentially Robert - the birth year of the player im talking about is not certain, but most suspect it is much earlier than the 1906 date in the record books


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[Dewey]

John. More details if you need them.

[clydepepper]

Frank- Just to be clear: These were Major League Baseball players, right?


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[Tom S.]

Originally Posted by BBB

Potentially Robert - the birth year of the player im talking about is not certain, but most suspect it is much earlier than the 1906 date in the record books


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I agree with B. I say Robert too.

[frankbmd]

Ben Zobrist ???

[frankbmd]

Size 32 shoes

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dewey

John. More details if you need them.

Agreed. John it is.

[clydepepper]

Frank - Thank You once again for making me feel stupid.


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[Cat]

Kevin Bacon?

[frankbmd]

So far some right and some wrong ...........

and in a tribute to Tina Turner, today's clue is

"What's Luke Got To Do With It?"

Ike is peripherally involved too, believe it or not.

[Dewey]

John
Charles...and not just because you put a picture of a "chuck"
Louis - though by my count grandson retired just over 10 years ago.

[Butch7999]

Well, the "size 32 shoes" has to mean we're looking for a pre-war ballplayer whose middle name was "Shaquille"...

[Dewey]

Frederick Louis the double middle name entry.
Nicholas

Take out the quoted Louis and you get 4 players and 5 names for five correct answers. no idea about Luke clue. Thanks for giving me something to do besides grade papers.

Found a couple 1899 and 1901.

Originally Posted by Dewey

John
Charles...and not just because you put a picture of a "chuck"
Louis - though by my count grandson retired just over 10 years ago.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Joseph.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Joseph.

Yes, Joseph is my grandson's middle name, but I have never played ball with anyone born in 1900. I did meet Benny Bengough in person though, but he was born in 1898.

For those of you who think this is a clue, Benny's middle name was Oliver. Furthermore Bengough and Zobrist are not related. Now that we have that all cleared up, I feel obligated to reveal the correct answer and to tie all the clues together in 24 hours.

[Dewey]

I feel like I just walked out of the cornfield. I have no idea what is happening.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Opps gave the name of the grandfather not the player born in 1900. Louis. Allen.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dewey

I feel like I just walked out of the cornfield. I have no idea what is happening.

Welcome to Frank Land.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dewey

John
Charles...and not just because you put a picture of a "chuck"
Louis - though by my count grandson retired just over 10 years ago.

Allen too for that grandson although yeah just realized that mistake.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Welcome to Frank Land.

It's getting crowded in here.



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[Mdmtx]

Of all the people I've met in person in this hobby over 4 decades, I'm most disappointed I have never met frank in person. I love every post he makes. Many on here seem to be more inclined to inflammatory posts. Frank's are almost always fun and enlightening.

[Dewey]

That Trump autograph thread might show up and try to build a wall. I'm not paying for it! Come to think of it, I am a newcomer around here.

Originally Posted by clydepepper

It's getting crowded in here.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mdmtx

Of all the people I've met in person in this hobby over 4 decades, I'm most disappointed I have never met frank in person. I love every post he makes. Many on here seem to be more inclined to inflammatory posts. Frank's are almost always fun and enlightening.

My guess is if we met him in person we would feel differently.

[Bpm0014]

Frank never disappoints with his bizarre/awesome sense of humor or friendliness. Always positive whatever he posts.

[Steve D]

I will go with John.


Steve

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Butch7999

Well, the "size 32 shoes" has to mean we're looking for a pre-war ballplayer whose middle name was "Shaquille"...

Shoe size is supposed to equate to the size of other appendages. So my guess is the guy in Leon's CDV.

Tom C

[frankbmd]

Let’s tie all this together chronologically starting in 1900 when a child was born named Wally Gilbert, a future major leaguer. Wally goes on to have a twenty-one year career in professional baseball, five of which were spent in the major leagues primarily with Brooklyn from 1928-31 and 1932 with Cincinnati. Ironically one of his teammates in Brooklyn was Ike Boone, not Ike Turner who really has nothing to do with it.

In 1936 professional baseball comes to Wausau, WI with the minor league Class C Timberjacks. The Timberjacks first manager in 1936 was Luke Boone, who also has nothing to do with it. In 1939 the Timberjacks hire Wally Gilbert to play third base and manage the team which he does until 1942, when a young 18 year old catcher joins the Timberjacks. His name is Ray Boone, the grandfather in the riddle and not related to Ike or Luke. The Timberjacks played their home games in Athletic Park in Wausau, a field which is still in use today. In 1943 the Timberjacks folded and Ray joined the service for the duration of the war.

In 1948 Ray joined the Cleveland Indians. His 13 years ML career with the Indians, the Tigers and White Sox ended in 1960, but young Bob Boone, his son, was already 13. Bob would play ten years for the Phillies begining in 1972 and then with the Angels and Royals. His major league sons Bret Boone and Aaron Boone, born in 1969 and 1973 were almost in the majors by the time Bob retired as a player in 1990. Bret’s last year as a player was 2005, but Aaron played until 2009, seven years ago.

So what gives with the Ben Zobrist clue? Well Ben played in Wausau also in the summer of 2003 on the Wisconsin Woodchucks of the Northwoods League. The Northwoods League is a summer developmental league for collegiate baseball players. they play a 60 game schedule predominantly in June and July, finishing before the school year begins. The Woodchucks were the league champions in 2003 led by their MVP star Ben Zobrist, the most famous Woodchuck to make it to the big leagues. The "Chucks" play their home games that summer at that same Athletic Park in Wausau, which could easily be called the Wrigley Field of northern Wisconsin. The “Chucks” mascot, also shown in the thread, is Woodrow T. “Woody” Woodchuck, who wears size 32 shoes.

That just about sums it up with the clues largely related to the history of baseball in Wausau and the history of the Boone family and other Boones. The Timberjacks records as a Class C Minor League team in 1942 are found in Baseball Reference. The Zobrist connection is not, as the collegiate Northwoods League is amateur baseball. The Zobrist connection can be verified though on his Wikipedia entry or on the Northwoods League website.

Oh!!!! ............and Wally Gilbert’s middle name was John.

I believe Dewey was the first one to respond correctly, but I am not convinced that he knew it. The cash crop near Wausau is ginseng, not corn.

Addenda:

Matt Williams’ grandfather Bert Griffith played with two players born in 1900, one of whom was Goose Goslin, but Matt retired in 2003 as a player. If you consider him as a manager, I do not think has retired yet, so the criteria of retirement within the past ten years is not fulfilled

Jayson Werth’s grandfather Ducky Schofield was a bonus baby with St. Louis in 1953 and played mostly with Omaha in 1954 and 1955. None of the Omaha or St. Louis players in the 50s were born in 1900, and Jayson is still playing of course.

Not to worry though as I reserve the right to include both Ducky and Goose in the Animal Farm Game coming soon to a Forum near you.

[clydepepper]

Darn it! I knew I should have gone with my initial guess...the size 32-shoes threw me off...I had read somewhere that they were two size-30s.


Well, Frank - thanks anyway for making this one so much easier than your previous ones.



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[Dewey]

I bought an Ike Boone photo last week. Not that that has anything to do with it. Frank, care to link the other middle names I came up with to the criteria you set out?

Originally Posted by Dewey

John. More details if you need them.

[FourStrikes]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Well, Frank - thanks anyway for making this one so much easier than your previous ones.



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[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by fourstrikes

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lmhao!!!

[Steve D]

I, like bbb, initially thought of Satchel (Leroy Robert) Paige, since he was a teammate of Ray Boone in Cleveland. I looked him up on Ancestry.com, and found the 1910 census where he is listed as being 4 years old; confirming his 1906 birthdate. I then looked up a few other MLB grandfather/grandson combos and came up dry.

When clydepepper asked about the players being all major leaguers, and there was no reply, I suspected that meant the answer was in the minor leagues. Then when I saw the Ike and Luke hints, I immediately went back to Ray Boone, since I knew of Ike and Luke Boone. That's when I found Walter John Gilbert.


Steve

[Dewey]

Three more. There's a theme.

Anthony Charles Kaufman. Born 1900. St Louis 1935.
Sam Narron. St. Louis 1935.
Sam Narron. Retired 2011. Leones del Escogido.

Oscar Frederick Louis Roettger. Born 1900. 1938 Rochester.
Sam Narron. 1938 Rochester.
Sam Narron. Retired 2011.

Henry Nicholas Cullop. Born 1900. 1940 Houston Buffaloes.
Sam Narron. 1940 Houston.
Sam Narron. Retired 2011.

Fun. Thanks, Frank.

[frankbmd]

No way to know for sure that the Gilbert/Boone duo was a unique answer.

The Narron triple play seems almost entirely vaiid as an alternative, but if I wanted to split hairs, Junior's major league career ended in 2004 (more than 10 years). In the minors he lasted until 2011.

Interesting that the grandson was named after Gramps and that Dad apparently couldn't hit a curve ball.

Dewey turned my single into a grand slam though and deserves a standing ovation.

[Peter_Spaeth]

How did Frank miss that one?

As a bit of esoterica, none other than Josh Donaldson was on that Dominican team.

[Dewey]

Tried like crazy to find a link via Charles Dewey Jamerson, January 26, 1900. Red Sox. To no avail.

[egri]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

In 1936 professional baseball comes to Wausau, WI with the minor league Class C Timberjacks. The Timberjacks first manager in 1936 was Luke Boone, who also has nothing to do with it. In 1939 the Timberjacks hire Wally Gilbert to play third base and manage the team which he does until 1942, when a young 18 year old catcher joins the Timberjacks. His name is Ray Boone, the grandfather in the riddle and not related to Ike or Luke. The Timberjacks played their home games in Athletic Park in Wausau, a field which is still in use today. In 1943 the Timberjacks folded and Ray joined the service for the duration of the war.

In 1948 Ray joined the Cleveland Indians. His 13 years ML career with the Indians, the Tigers and White Sox ended in 1960, but young Bob Boone, his son, was already 13. Bob would play ten years for the Phillies begining in 1972 and then with the Angels and Royals. His major league sons Bret Boone and Aaron Boone, born in 1969 and 1973 were almost in the majors by the time Bob retired as a player in 1990. Bret’s last year as a player was 2005, but Aaron played until 2009, seven years ago.

That just about sums it up with the clues largely related to the history of baseball in Wausau and the history of the Boone family and other Boones. The Timberjacks records as a Class C Minor League team in 1942 are found in Baseball Reference. The Zobrist connection is not, as the collegiate Northwoods League is amateur baseball. The Zobrist connection can be verified though on his Wikipedia entry or on the Northwoods League website.

Oh!!!! ............and Wally Gilbert’s middle name was John.

There is another connection to the Boone family: one of Ray Boone's teammates on the 1948 Cleveland Indians was Bob Kennedy. Kennedy and Ted Williams were the only players to lose major league time to both World War II and Korea (they were both pilots, who were in short supply, and Marines, who were in very short supply). Like Boone, Kennedy (no relation to the president) also had a son, Terry, who played in the MLB. A four time All-Star, Terry made his second AS team in 1983, as a member of the San Diego Padres. That year, Bob Boone made his last All Star appearance, as a California Angel, and got the last laugh as the A.L. romped to a 13-3 win. Unfortunately for the sake of coincidence, Terry Kennedy's sons couldn't hit the curve and never played MLB, and unfortunately for Red Sox fans, Bob's son Aaron could.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I always wondered why they didn't just call him the manager. Some egalitarian thing? NFL wannabe?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I always wondered why they didn't just call him the manager. Some egalitarian thing? NFL wannabe?

The Cubs had a "college of coaches" system from 1961 to 1965, a rotation of eight different coaches in 1961 and 1962, and one "head coach" from 1963 to 1965, Bob Kennedy. Elvin Tappe replaced Kennedy halfway through the 1965 season. It was a disaster, Leo Durocher was named manager for the 1966 season.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

The Cubs had a "college of coaches" system from 1961 to 1965, a rotation of eight different coaches in 1961 and 1962, and one "head coach" from 1963 to 1965, Bob Kennedy. Elvin Tappe replaced Kennedy halfway through the 1965 season. It was a disaster, Leo Durocher was named manager for the 1966 season.

Left wing utopian nonsense sounds like lol.

For 10 points name Elvin Tappe's four cards.