1967 Topps 6th Series

[JollyElm]

Picture it: The 7-year-old boy crying like a baby in 1967, because his cards were cut godawfully, is now a 63-year-old man jumping for joy because he found his 'great' miscuts - which could help finally solve the mind-numbingly tough sheet layout puzzle - buried in his old box of cards.

Times do change.

[deweyinthehall]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Picture it: The 7-year-old boy crying like a baby in 1967, because his cards were cut godawfully, is now a 63-year-old man jumping for joy because he found his 'great' miscuts - which could help finally solve the mind-numbingly tough sheet layout puzzle - buried in his old box of cards.

Times do change.

Times don't change - we're just all certifiable!

Actually - would a better explanation be that these were taken from vending than packs? I've seen cards which were obviously neighbors on the same sheet come out of vending (consecutively, one after the other just like they were cut) before.

[deweyinthehall]

Evidence that Alou is to the right of McCovey - this was already deduced but now there is visual confirmation....

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Evidence that Alou is to the right of McCovey - this was already deduced but now there is visual confirmation....

Nice! I never did see that one looking through thousands of 67’s on eBay. It would be nice to see one of those 1967 miscut backs of Tommy Helms or the Braves Team card, Helms is the one card in the Series we couldn’t find on a miscut.

[deweyinthehall]

I still keep an eye out and nothing of Helms has ever surfaced.

My records (a thorough review of what has been posted here as well as searches on line) also show no visible evidence of these cards either, which you seemed to have deduced the locations of:
Derrell Griffith (either horizontal neighbor)
Braves Team (right hand neighbor)
Doug Clemens (right)
Smoky Burgess (right)
Bob Barton (right)
Twins Rookies (left)
Dan Coombs (left)
orioles rookies (left)
Leo Durocher (left)
Marcelino Lopez (left)

If you have any images could you post?

[Cliff Bowman]

I looked and I don't have any of those. Speaking of the 1967 Topps Felipe Alou, it says on the back of the card "Here's a baseball oddity... Felipe's first 18 big league home runs were hit with the bases empty." That's not even close to true, his first big league home run was a two run shot off of Vern Law and his fourth big league home run was a two run shot off of Ray Semproch.

[Kevvyg1026]

I do not have a horizontal miscut of Burgess. However, there is a vertical MC of that card showing Clemens underneath. In addition, both Perez and Clemens sometimes have a red line at the top while Bell and Burgess have a red line at the bottom. So Burgess was placed next to Bell.

[Kevvyg1026]

The positions of Barton & Durocher were deduced as follows, even without the miscuts asked about in an earlier post.

1. There are horizontal miscuts of #533, tying it to both 521 (on left) and 518 (on right). So #518 must be in the Bird Bombers row and in column 3.

2. There is a Miscut of Miller (461), showing it is above Bird Bombers. There is also a MC of 529 above 518, so Wagner (529) was placed in column 3 of the Miller row. In addition, there is a MC of Peterson (495), tied to both Miller & Wagner, so 529 must be in col 3 of the Miller row.

3. There are horizontal miscuts of Wine (466) to both check 7 (531) and Pirates team (492), so 492 must be in the check 7 row in col 3.

4.There are vertical miscuts of Coombs (464) above Pirates team (492),so 464 must be in col 3.

5. There are horizontal miscuts that tie Mantilla (524) to Alvis (520) to Davidson (519), so 519 must be in col 3 of the Mantilla row.

6. There is a vertical miscut with 462 above 519, so Barton (462) must be in col 3. There is also a vertical miscut with Griffith (502) above Barton (462), so 502 must also be in col 3.

So, it is estabished that the 7 cards in column 3 must be: 518, 464, 502, 462, 519, 529, & 492. We also know that 518 is in Bird Bombers row, Davidson (519) is in Mantilla row , Wagner (529) must be in Miller row,and Pirates team is in Check 7 (531) row.

7. That leaves the positions of 464, 502, and 462 "open".

a. There is a miscut of Pirates RS (472) with Mantilla below it, and a MC of 462 above 519, so 462 was placed in Pirates RS row.

b. There is a miscut of Perez above Pirates RS and a miscut of 502 above 462, so 502 was placed in the Perez row.

c. That forces 464 into Bell row. In addition, there is a miscut of of 464 above 492, and there is also a miscut of 527 (card at end of Bell row) that is above 497 (Campbell, card at end of check 7 row), so that placement of 464 dovetailed nicely.

8. For Durocher, there is a mc of 519-463, so the Tribe card was placed in col 4of the mantilla row, then the vertical mc of 481-463 was used to place Durocher in col 4 of the Pirates RS row.

[deweyinthehall]

Thanks to this image from eBay, proving Twins Rookies is to the right of Darrell Griffith, the process of elimination can now confirm Durocher is to the right of Barton and Helms is to the right of the Braves team.

[deweyinthehall]

Sooo....

I was never certain how we placed Griffith to the right of Clemens, as opposed to the other candidate Burgess.

I found this Griffith m/c today. I think it lines up better against Burgess. Thoughts?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

Sooo....

I was never certain how we placed Griffith to the right of Clemens, as opposed to the other candidate Burgess.

I found this Griffith m/c today. I think it lines up better against Burgess. Thoughts?

Here is a miscut of Griffith above Bob Barton. Barton is the third card on the Pirates Rookie Stars row. If Griffith, a 3x, was the third card in the 4x Gary Bell row then he couldn't be above Barton because the Gary Bell row is above the Tony Perez row and the Brooks Robinson Checklist row, not the Pirates Rookie Stars row.

[deweyinthehall]

I took another look at the pop reports, and I think it does make sense now to place Griffith next to Clemens despite the miscut (at that scale and with the minimal details, who can say).

I will use both 6th series Frankenslits for my 1967 page - one with Bird Bombers and the other with Mantilla in the upper left.