Blatantly Hacked and Kudos to Rob Lifson PSA should be ashamed!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Reject the consignment.

No, a good thing would be to take these cards out of circulation.

I really do not hope that all AH's start accepting trimmed cards just so they can say they might be trimmed. A one line disclaimer tucked in the middle of a drawn out item description is hardly something we can begin to "hope" for.

You evaded answering my question - your second point above indicates that you WOULD have the auction house crack the card out of its holder. Is that true?

My comments were based on dealing with the situation realistically, not having AH's become the police of the hobby - that's not their job and it's impractical.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Runscott

not having AH's become the police of the hobby - that's not their job and it's impractical.

It may not be there job, but it IS there responsibility to prevent forgeries and altered items from circulating throughout the market.

We need to start holding auction houses such as REA accountable for profiting off of altered items. The ONLY reason any of these cards will receive a bid is because of the "PSA 8 NM-MT". Yes, there is a market for trimmed cards, but not at the prices these cards are currently at. PSA will only be held accountable when ethical dealers step forward and have these cards re-evaluated - I am not seeing that here.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

PSA will only be held accountable when ethical dealers step forward and have these cards re-evaluated - I am not seeing that here.

But that would be done behind the scenes, with you and I never being aware of it. What incentive would that give PSA to stop doing it, when there are still so many 'sharp corner' collectors going for the highest-ranked set registry?

I see your point of view, though.

[MattyC]

No doubt what REA did was admirable to a degree and far better than not saying anything.

Could they have chosen to pass on the items-- sure. I personally would have, but that is just me. It is true then that the owner would have just moved on, where they would have doubtless wound up for sale with no mention. Considering that scenario, what REA did was a service to the hobby, in that these particular cards have now been "outed" to some extent in a widely read, rather high-profile hobby catalog.

Yet much of the debate regarding what REA did, and could have done further, belies the responsibility of the owner.

I once had several cards I suspected were trimmed. I brought then down to PSA and told them as much. PSA bought them back and destroyed them. I put the ethical onus primarily on the owner of such a card, when he hears they might be trimmed. It would bother me too much to own a trimmed card, and would bother me more to pass it along to another. Have PSA review the card for the alleged trimming and render their final opinion-- they may say it's good and disagree with whoever says it looks trimmed, or they may agree a mistake was made and honor their policy.

[travrosty]

they have only been outed and a service done to the hobby if you believe rea over psa. but how do we know who to believe?

[howard38]

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