REA Gary Cooper

[JimStinson]

I am OTTA here ...forgive me BUT color me GONE.....Bye , Hasta Manana or whatever the F anyone says I'm...............................LONG GONE ...ADIOS AMIGOS
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[JimStinson]

Will see you in the B/S/T forum otherwise ..bye
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[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

I am OTTA here ...forgive me BUT color me GONE.....Bye , Hasta Manana or whatever the F anyone says I'm...............................LONG GONE ...ADIOS AMIGOS


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I know you know this, Jim, but not every autographed photo's provenance can be checked by asking the signee's daughter. If what you're saying is true, no "common" Ruth or Gehrig or... autograph can ever be trusted.

("common" Any authentic item the supposed signor could have signed, showing a period-appropriate inscription and/or signature.)

I'm not following why the daughter's comment is proof of anything - I'm not a celebrity, but I own quite a few personalized autographs from celebrities, and my daughter wouldn't have any clue about what I have or have owned. Is Cooper's daughter saying the family kept some kind of itemized inventory of his memorabilia? If so, for how long?

The daughter was only 5 years old when the Ruth photo was allegedly signed, and she was only in her early twenties when Cooper died. Is she saying she's been in charge of the estate since then (1961), and the photo was never recorded in a formal inventory done for the estate?

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Karl Mattson

I'm not following why the daughter's comment is proof of anything - I'm not a celebrity, but I own quite a few personalized autographs from celebrities, and my daughter wouldn't have any clue about what I have or have owned. Is Cooper's daughter saying the family kept some kind of itemized inventory of his memorabilia? If so, for how long?

The daughter was only 5 years old when the Ruth photo was allegedly signed, and she was only in her early twenties when Cooper died. Is she saying she's been in charge of the estate since then (1961), and the photo was never recorded in a formal inventory done for the estate?

The question is do you trust the faimly or Jim? Read her book and come back and tell me if you would buy it.

[shelly]

What really is happening is that this site is loosing a lot of people that really know what they are doing . Instead we are reading opinions from people that have little or no knowledge. I can not blame Jim from walking away. He does not need this crap. I do blame the people that have never helped but just attack, attack and attack.
If ther is anyone that thinks that Cooper piece is authentic please say why. No pictures no BS just tell anyone on here why it is a authentic.

[Runscott]

Shelly, Jim stated that there are forgers who can create Ruth autographs that are perfect. As David pointed out, if Jim is correct, then without provenance, what do you do? I can't blame either David or Ben for responding the way they did.

I also felt that it was a curious statement for Jim to make, but he's perhaps the most knowledgeable person participating in the autograph forum, and I certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for running him off. Besides, Ben and David already responded.

I am always tempted to 'run' from this forum and not look back, but all in all it is a lot of free entertainment - besides, it's the best way to learn about Ruth and Gehrig autographs. If you were starting at square one, you certainly couldn't learn anything by gathering a bunch of PSA and JSA examples and studying them.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

I am OTTA here ...forgive me BUT color me GONE.....Bye , Hasta Manana or whatever the F anyone says I'm...............................LONG GONE ...ADIOS AMIGOS
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I'm with you. Discussing Babe Ruth signatures in a public forum is largely a waste of time.