REA Gary Cooper

[jgmp123]

SERIOUS QUESTION:

Does anyone know if any of the TPA's have annual reports that they release? Data detailing Total # of rejects, verse accepts?

[chaddurbin]

obviously some opinions from family members are more weighted than others due to their level of involvement. i'm not dismissing the testimonial at all, and shelly has done some research into the daughter so we can put hers higher up. however if you ask my wife, or most members' wives here...i don't think they can differentiate whether i own a jeter or a pujols, much less a cobb or a wagner.

and the forgers in their basements perfecting their craft on ruths and gehrigs, it won't be for the "cooper ruth" where the lineage can possibly be traced back. it will be some bland 3x5 or scuffled reach ball, so at the end of the day it'll be whether the sig is good or not...and as often the time comes like the ruth 700th hr ticket you'll have some experts believe it's good while others don't.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

obviously some opinions from family members are more weighted than others due to their level of involvement. i'm not dismissing the testimonial at all, and shelly has done some research into the daughter so we can put hers higher up. however if you ask my wife, or most members' wives here...i don't think they can differentiate whether i own a jeter or a pujols, much less a cobb or a wagner.

and the forgers in their basements perfecting their craft on ruths and gehrigs, it won't be for the "cooper ruth" where the lineage can possibly be traced back. it will be some bland 3x5 or scuffled reach ball, so at the end of the day it'll be whether the sig is good or not...and as often the time comes like the ruth 700th hr ticket you'll have some experts believe it's good while others don't.

I would agree if this was not a very significant piece. This was given to her father from someone as famous or more famous than him. It was for a movie where he was nominated for an Oscar. I really dont think you would forget seeing it no matter what.

[mr2686]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

and the forgers in their basements perfecting their craft on ruths and gehrigs, it won't be for the "cooper ruth" where the lineage can possibly be traced back. it will be some bland 3x5 or scuffled reach ball, so at the end of the day it'll be whether the sig is good or not...and as often the time comes like the ruth 700th hr ticket you'll have some experts believe it's good while others don't.

Well...not so sure about that. Chris wrote last year about a Babe Ruth signed bat to Gary Cooper that was bad, so just because the lineage can be traced doesn't mean that people will do it before buying.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

and the forgers in their basements perfecting their craft on ruths and gehrigs, it won't be for the "cooper ruth" where the lineage can possibly be traced back. it will be some bland 3x5 or scuffled reach ball, so at the end of the day it'll be whether the sig is good or not...and as often the time comes like the ruth 700th hr ticket you'll have some experts believe it's good while others don't.

This thread is ABOUT a Ruth on a Cooper photo, that many people here think looks pretty much perfect. You yourself discounted the provenance of the family's word! If you had the cash in hand, and none of us were here to tell you to do otherwise, I'm guessing you might be high bidder right now.

Edited to add: You know no one's going to cut you much slack in a thread like this. I hope you have thick skin I also appreciate yours and Rhys' 'glass half-full' approach to viewing autographs. It's certainly a more positive way of looking at them, but I guess my 'half empty' view will leave me Ruthless in Seattle. Yes...finally got to use that one.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

SERIOUS QUESTION:

Does anyone know if any of the TPA's have annual reports that they release? Data detailing Total # of rejects, verse accepts?

no data ever gets released from the tpa's to help collectors, ever.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by travrosty

no data ever gets released from the tpa's to help collectors, ever.

I said it before and I believe it to be true...they make a lot of money off of the forgers. If there were no forgery there would be no need for TPA's.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I said it before and I believe it to be true...they make a lot of money off of the forgers. If there were no forgery there would be no need for TPA's.

That was even too profond for me.

[prewarsports]

Just so you guys know, I was not commenting AT ALL on the signature itself, I have not even glanced at the autograph in question so trust me when I say I have no pinion on it whatsoever. I was simply stating the caveat that you cant go by "family" alone.

Question Family members the same way you should question TPA's, do all your homework YOURSELF and if you feel comfortable with all evidence and opinions taken into account, you will be right as often or more often than with Baseball Cards (considering trimming and restoration etc).

I probably should have put this in the first post because its obvious now that people think my post was an endorsement of the signature. If Jim and others who know Ruth better than me say its bad, it probably is. I was ONLY commenting on the family aspect of it and hopefully I did not ruffle too many feathers!

Rhys

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

Just so you guys know, I was not commenting AT ALL on the signature itself, I have not even glanced at the autograph in question so trust me when I say I have no pinion on it whatsoever. I was simply stating the caveat that you cant go by "family" alone.

Question Family members the same way you should question TPA's, do all your homework YOURSELF and if you feel comfortable with all evidence and opinions taken into account, you will be right as often or more often than with Baseball Cards (considering trimming and restoration etc).

I probably should have put this in the first post because its obvious now that people think my post was an endorsement of the signature. If Jim and others who know Ruth better than me say its bad, it probably is. I was ONLY commenting on the family aspect of it and hopefully I did not ruffle too many feathers!

Rhys

Rhys,

I think anyone who knows you and/or looking at your statement objectively knew what you meant. It was a great point in general terms.

[shelly]

No feathers ruffled. In fact it help me check a few more things out.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Rhys,

I think anyone who knows you and/or looking at your statement objectively knew what you meant. It was a great point in general terms.

+1