Autograph News Live - criminals or just cowards?

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

Now that is a joke, a fake Mickey Mantle on a fake P.A.A.S. cert. I see who and what I am dealing with here.

If someone were to fake a CoA, why would they forge a worthless PAAS cert? Wouldn't they be better off faking a PSA or JSA certificate?

[joed25]

Mike - I have no idea who you are and who all these people you are talking about are. And I don't really care much. But I always thought PAAS was a scam like GAI. Certifying more fakes than real. So if you have anything to do with PAAS you deserve whatever is coming to you and more. These "authenticators" and forensic examiners have done more damage to the hobby than anyone else IMO.

Jos..eph Dw.ek

[Big Dave]

Depends on what the purpose and/or reason is behind faking the COA.

This sounds like what people claim Mr. Mueller stated about some of his COAs. Perhaps Mr. Frost should not have started his finger pointing.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

This sounds like what people claim Mr. Mueller stated about some of his COAs. Perhaps Mr. Frost should not have started his finger pointing.

+1

[Duluth Eskimo]

Please don't come on with your first post and now play the victim. If you want to explain some of what is out there, by all means go ahead. This is not a board where you can come on and gather support for your mission, but if you are honest and forthright I think people would be willing to listen.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Please don't come on with your first post and now play the victim. If you want to explain some of what is out there, by all means go ahead. This is not a board where you can come on and gather support for your mission, but if you are honest and forthright I think people would be willing to listen.

Absolutely!!!

You were side-by-side with Mueller and Koschal and now you have to live with that, Mr. Frost.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Absolutely!!!

You were side-by-side with Mueller and Koschal and now you have to live with that, Mr. Frost.

You are correct and that hurt my credibility and caused me nothing but problems that are still being addressed. Mistakes yes I have made some and being involved with Mueller and Koschal were probably my biggest. Maybe it is time you look into a mirror and see who you are side by side with.
I did not come here to fight or discredit you and I am not a blogger, but I am also not the type to take my ball and run home. I was allowed to speak out on this website using my real name, phone number and I have nothing at all to hide from including any false accusations nor set up false certificates. I do not know many other autograph authenticators that could say the same.

[Big Dave]

Mr. Frost,

To your credit, you have come on here and have posted. But keep this in mind, if you are willing to accuse others, be prepared to defend accusations against you.

With that in mind, we welcome any discussions.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Mr. Frost,

To your credit, you have come on here and have posted. But keep this in mind, if you are willing to accuse others, be prepared to defend accusations against you.

With that in mind, we welcome any discussions.

That is understood and thank you,

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

That is understood and thank you,

Mike, 'Big Dave' is not a moderator.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

If someone were to fake a CoA, why would they forge a worthless PAAS cert? Wouldn't they be better off faking a PSA or JSA certificate?

+1

[Big Dave]

Mr. Forrest

It was not implied, nor did Mr. Frost make any reference to someone being a moderator. Like you, I post what I feel may be helpful or just what I feel like saying.

Mr. Williams,

You are mistaken. I did not sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by big dave

mr. Forrest

it was not implied, nor did mr. Frost make any reference to someone being a moderator. Like you, i post what i feel may be helpful or just what i feel like saying.

Mr. Williams,

you are mistaken. I did not sleep at a holiday inn last night.

lol.

[Big Dave]

Good to see you understand levity.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Good to see you understand levity.

Absolutely, Dave.

[Leon]

If we don't have a sense of humor this place/hobby could kill ya'

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Mr. Forrest

It was not implied, nor did Mr. Frost make any reference to someone being a moderator. Like you, I post what I feel may be helpful or just what I feel like saying.

Mr. Williams,

You are mistaken. I did not sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

So where did you sleep, Big Dave.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

So where did you sleep, Big Dave.

Obviously not with the fishes.

[r2678]

So, how does one tell the difference between a real and a fake PAAS certificate?

[Big Dave]

Well, I kind of did sleep with the fishes.....slept on a boat last night.

[Fuddjcal]

from my view, I think we are close to weeding out the whole story and Mike is a part of that.

I agree, the "fake cert trick" is a way to deflect. I find it hard to believe that the PAAS group didn't do very well with Mantle, even in the early stages. So, if you make a mistake, learn and move on. No one is very quick at admitting mistakes, hence the Stolen COA, The rock solid Providence story as long as Moby Dick & discredit the big guys, the little guys, everybody that can say "you're mistaken"....

I welcome the dialogue on the board with Mike trying to fill in some of the back story to this fractured group and see if there is a way to move on from all the negativity. I don't know if things will ever change for the better but I'm hopeful.

I get Mike's point in trying to plead his case on this legitimate forum especially since The Kumbaya Connection's one way slam on him (ANL). I would want a place to plead my case too. I say go for it Mike.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by r2678

So, how does one tell the difference between a real and a fake PAAS certificate?

Great Question?

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by r2678

So, how does one tell the difference between a real and a fake PAAS certificate?

A real PAAS has deep coloration all around the egg with even uptake. A fake one has splotches of color and is very uneven. Does that help?

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by r2678

So, how does one tell the difference between a real and a fake PAAS certificate?

The best thing is always to go to or website www.paasaa.com and use the P.A.A.S. database. I also except e-mails and phone calls. Unlike many autograph authenticators in this hobby, I am available to talk and discuss issues with my customers or members of the hobby. There are many telltale signs of the fake P.A.A.S. certificates, but by explaining them all on the internet will only be helping the culprits that have been producing this and other certificates.
The fraud and corrupt part of the autograph industry have been using my name, my certificates, my credentials for years to add some credibility to there scams.This and the fakes COA's have been reported and alerts have been sent out in the past. The phony Certificates have been discussed on other websites and also illustrated before.
I was most probably the closest person in the autograph industry to Mickey Mantle for over 10 years. I would work directly with Mickey Mantle and Greer Johnson with autograph appearances and setting up private autograph signings and marketing. I was lucky enough to be one of the few that were ever invited into the inner circle and this has always caused much jealousy and envy among certain members of the industry.
One person that I know that started much of the misleading rumors and accusations was the famous Tony P. I have heard most of this trash for years and Tony has even told me many of the lies including that Mickey Mantle told him that I had permission to sign for him. I now see that Shelly has joined the anti P.A.A.S. fan club, this is somebody I have never heard of or dealt with but I must say that "birds of a feather".
Enough with all the hate, if anybody needs to talk to me please pick up a phone or e-mail me. The truth is only a phone call away.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Mr. Forrest

It was not implied, nor did Mr. Frost make any reference to someone being a moderator. Like you, I post what I feel may be helpful or just what I feel like saying.

Dave, you can call me 'Scott'. Yeah, you post whatever you feel like saying and I thought that since you generally feel like posting as if you are a moderator here, I'd let Mike know that that isn't the case.