Opinion on Mantle Inscription

[Runscott]

I have discussed Mantle signatures with Shelly many times, and he's always impressed me with his knowledge. He's made a few mistakes, but he also accepts that publicly and moves on. Being willing to learn from your mistakes at his age is a rarity. Much more common with 'experts' in this hobby to have their knowledge frozen in place by their massive egos.

I don't know Mike Frost, but I'm sort of surprised at some of his analyses of Mantle autographs in this thread. I say "sort of surprised" because I know that having an eye for autographs involves a talent that some people have, and some people don't. If you don't have it, you can be personal friends with someone for a lifetime, and look at a million of their signatures, and you will still make more mistakes than someone who has a better eye than you.

I also don't get why PSA and JSA keep getting thrown into the argument - everyone in this thread who has ever given an opinion on autographs knows more than either of them. I have no reason to believe that Mike Frost is any worse than either of those companies.

[thetruthisoutthere]

The bottom line is that the OP posted a Mickey Mantle autographed baseball (with the inscription The Commerce Comet) that he wanted opinions on.

1. It is a forgery.

2. It was penned by the same person (yes, I know the person's name) who penned the Mickey Mantle forgeries shown in the American Memorabilia catalog listing.

3. The majority of Mickey Mantle baseballs with those types of inscriptions are forgeries.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

The bottom line is that the OP posted a Mickey Mantle autographed baseball (with the inscription The Commerce Comet) that he wanted opinions on.

1. It is a forgery.

2. It was penned by the same person (yes, I know the person's name) who penned the Mickey Mantle forgeries shown in the American Memorabilia catalog listing.

3. The majority of Mickey Mantle baseballs with those types of inscriptions are forgeries.

I agree and have been saying this for over 15 years.

[Michael Frost]

[QUOTE=Runscott;1199126]I have discussed Mantle signatures with Shelly many times, and he's always impressed me with his knowledge. He's made a few mistakes, but he also accepts that publicly and moves on. Being willing to learn from your mistakes at his age is a rarity. Much more common with 'experts' in this hobby to have their knowledge frozen in place by their massive egos.

I don't know Mike Frost, but I'm sort of surprised at some of his analyses of Mantle autographs in this thread. I say "sort of surprised"

Thank you for adding to the thread, can I ask you which item in this thread surprised you. There is not on Mickey Mantle item shown in this discussion that I have added an opinion on.
Please let me know which item you maybe refering to?
Thanks
Mike Frost

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

Thank you for adding to the thread, can I ask you which item in this thread surprised you. There is not on Mickey Mantle item shown in this discussion that I have added an opinion on.
Please let me know which item you maybe refering to?
Thanks
Mike Frost

I was referring more to your lack of opinion or not knowing one way or the other, when others in the thread had definite opinions - I should probably have said "your response" rather than "your opinion".

It doesn't really matter - my post was more in support of Shelly than anything else. I have read the entire thread - every post - and I'm fairly certain nothing is going to be added that will change my thoughts regarding the expertise of anyone mentioned.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I have no reason to believe that Mike Frost is any worse than either of those companies.

That's a matter of opinion, Scott.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

That's a matter of opinion, Scott.

You just seem to keep throwing these little digs. I just do not get it?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Michael Frost

You just seem to keep throwing these little digs. I just do not get it?

Yes you do.

[Michael Frost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Yes you do.

I really do not get it. I feel you are negaitive about P.A.A.S. because of some type of involvement you may have with another authenticator or authentication company.

[kengoldin]

Chris Williams has no affiliation with any authenticator.
That is a certainty

[shelly]

Chris's only concern is not to let garbage hit the streets. I think that you have done enough to prove that you are no expert. I would trust Chris over you in one second.