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Here's what I don't understand and since there are a few lawyers here, maybe they can help. If there can be a pattern shown that there was shilling going on and it was brought to ebay's attention, and if they did nothing about it, couldn't they be considered complicit in that activity? And even more so if this was an ongoing activity across a number of sellers.
I do understand that actual shilling would have to be provable, which is probably the major "rub". But it seems that if enough patterns can be established to bring nefarious activities into question, and ebay actually has better resources to track this (since actually know who the bidders are), it would be in their best interest to crack down harder on bid retractions of this nature. Or are they banking on the assumption that shilling would be extremely difficult to prove? |
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I'm confused on your statement, or maybe just the purpose of it as it relates to my question. So if the bids come from the same device, they might do something? Because I find it highly unlikely that someone with 128 bid retractions used 128 different devices.
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That was also my concern. Maybe the seller has a lot of friends?
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He probably means that the bids come from the same computer as the seller.
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I have been on ebay since 2002 and can only remember 1 time retracting a bid in the hundreds of things I won and thousands of things I have bid on
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Duh. Makes perfect sense now.
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Oh, yes they will: they will rewrite their software to close the loophole that they think you used to collect the data on the bidder. That's what they did when they made it impossible to track bidders by name in the wake of the last shilling blow-up. I predict that a year from now there won't be any bidding activity data visible to anyone except the seller, just like it is at a real auction house.
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I am sure this stuff goes on at the real auction houses. We just can't see it, so we have no problem with it.
I blame Ebay as much if not more than the Probesteins of the world. |
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Shilling is wrong and it should be stopped, but ebay will never do anything about it. The only way to hurt the guilty parties is not to overpay. I repeat do not overpay, if you do you are playing directly into there hands. I learned a long time ago I would just as soon not have the cards if I pay more than they are worth in my mind. If I do it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
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The auction houses hide it. Nobody complains because we don't see it. Ebay condones it because it increases their profits. That is all Ebay cares about. Many of us punish Probestein and PWCC by not bidding because we feel it is wrong that they clearly do nothing and likely engage in it themselves. My question for all of the Probestein and PWCC haters (me included) is that shouldn't we also be boycotting Ebay? I can't wait to see a class action lawsuit against Ebay. That will be a happy day for me. |
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Best to all, Larry Last edited by ls7plus; 05-21-2014 at 03:40 PM. |
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